<p>I know law school is based almost completely off of gpa and LSAT score, but the undergraduate school does play a minor role. Is Wustl known for sending kids to top law school like Chicago, Northwestern, Penn, Duke, etc. etc. ??</p>
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<p>No. WUSTL’s mean LSAT is a pedestrian 158. Tied with Univ. of Dallas. Behind Bryn Mawr, Colby and ironically, Washington and Lee.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/760585-mean-lsat-scores-top-universities.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/760585-mean-lsat-scores-top-universities.html</a></p>
<p>In a typical year Harvard Law accepts 1 or 2 students from WUSTL, while 15 from Northwestern, 20 from Chicago, 30 from Cornell, 45 from Columbia, etc.</p>
<p>Yikes. That does not reflect well on WUSTL.</p>
<p>Visitor- do you know how many apply?</p>
<p>I honestly don’t know that many pre-law students at washu anyway.</p>
<p>while the low score does surprise me, honestly, WUSTL is definitely not known for being very pre-law. </p>
<p>pre-meds are much more commonplace here, and we do extremely well in regards to medical school (one of best in country, if not the best).</p>
<p>i wouldn’t say that the low average score means that WUSTL prepares you poorly for law school or being a lawyer. i find it hard to accept the argument that Wash U’s comparatively low average LSAT means that at all. the LSAT is much different than the MCAT/GMAT/etc… about as different as tests can be. it’s not at all content-based in any form. there is lots of debate as to whether the LSAT is even the most appropriate way to gauge preparedness for being a lawyer or has question-types that are similar to what you’ll do in law school. While undergrads here may not fare as well on the LSAT as some other universities, this in NO way correlates to Wash U kids doing worse in law school or as a lawyer. is simply not one of the most common destinations for undergrads. </p>
<p>if you are super serious about law school, then you can totally go to Wash U and succeed and do well on the LSAT. If you are very bright and study hard for it, it should be relatively easy for you to get above a 157. It’s not like “Wash U brings your LSAT score down.” It just simply seems that the best and brightest at Wash U go to medical school, are in engineering or business, or go to grad school for something else. The kids applying to Law School at Wash U (from my pedestrian observations) simply seem to be not <em>AS</em> “best and brightest” as other populations of students here. While at Columbia, Harvard, Yale… those schools are the kinds of schools were typically it is the very best and brightest going to law school.</p>
<p>If anything, this means that attending to Wash U may help your candidacy for top tier law schools. I mean, say you’re on a Law School admissions committee for a top-tier law school. You’ll see all these applications from all these Harvard and Yale kids who all look the same and who all have 170’s. Then, you come across the handful of Wash U kids who chose to apply to law school and got in that score range. Because Wash U is a very highly regarded school in general, I’d say that you have an edge in the applicant pool for top-tier law schools, provided you have those extremely high GPA/LSAT to meet their profile. The kids with the 158 mean score at Wash U are not exactly applying to Harvard Law, you know? </p>
<p>again, from my observations, many people looking at law schools here are those people who kind of fell into it as a back-up. while there are many people who have their eyes set on HYS law schools and are uber serious about it, they don’t exist in super high numbers compared to other similar undergrad institutions. if law school is something you want to go into seriously, then you can find lots of resources here. The Poli-Sci, History, and Philosophy majors are very well regarded. Poli Sci was recently ranked #1 in the country for faculty productivity, for example. lots of students who major in those departments at Wash U go to grad school for other things… while at other universities, Poli Sci and History majors frequently go into law school, at Wash U it seems that other destinations are more popular (internships/jobs, grad school for another field, etc). </p>
<p>… Visitor, where did you get those numbers?</p>
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<p>Really? The low LSAT score doe not surprise me.</p>
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<p>Source? Link?</p>
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<p>Perhaps, but it may keep you out of a top law school or any law school at all.</p>
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<p>But it does correlate to WashU kids getting into worse law schools.</p>
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<p>Given the mean lsat score, many WashU kids don’t find this to be “relatively easy.”</p>
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<p>Then WashU must matriculate underachieving students.</p>
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<p>Anecdotal opinion.</p>
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<p>Pure speculation.</p>
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<p>This is an absurd statement.</p>
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<p>Besides high LSAT scores, how do the Harvard and Yale kids “all look the same.” By your logic, all WashU premed students must “all look the same” as well.</p>
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<p>The number of WashU grads at, say, Harvard Law School belies this claim.</p>
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<p>More anecdotal opinion.</p>
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<p>Yet another anecdotal opinion.</p>
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<p>What does the quantity of research by faculty have to do with law school placement? FWIW, HYPS, UC-Berkeley and Michigan have the consensus top poli-sci departments. Not WUSTL.</p>
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<p>More unfounded speculation.</p>
<p>Interestingguy. Seriously. Wasting people’s time on forums for schools with which you have no experience cannot be the only thing you have to do with your free time. I’m not going to go so far as to say you’re doing this purposefully, but this really could be considered ■■■■■■■■. Please consider the fact that many of the people whose posts you are discarding as “absurd, speculative, unfounded, and anecdotal” actually have much more first-hand information about the school than yourself, because you’re coming across as someone who just wants to tear down a well-respected school for the sake of your own ego. Thanks.</p>
<p>^ You’re welcome for your ad hominem attacks.</p>
<p>If you want to go to Harvard or Yale Law, WUSTL honestly may not be the best place. The advising is fine. WUSTL is just not a top law school feeder. At least a handful of kids went to NYU, Penn, UVA, and Duke Law from last year’s class, according to the 150 or so post-graduate destinations shown by the Career Center in StudLife last spring.</p>
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<p>lol, nice comeback.</p>
<p>I should add (apparently I waited too long to be able to edit my post) that i’m not strictly responding to the posts in this thread, in case it seems like i’m railing on somebody because of one (albeit one very long) post. interestingguy’s posting history (it’s on his profile page) and the responses to those posts kind of speak for themselves. :/</p>
<p>And on the original topic, to be honest I think I only know one pre-law student here… Pre-med is much more common. That is pretty surprising about the scores, though.</p>
<p>my post was purely about anecodtal experiences from being a WUSTL student. i never purported to say anything as fact. i supported my opinions with first-hand experience and never indicated that my post was otherwise. go flame on someone else’s board.</p>
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<p>No kidding!</p>
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<p>I wasn’t aware you attended Columbia, Harvard and Yale too. You must be really smart.</p>
<p>^until he sees fit to respond to the (three now, in different threads?) inquiries into his experience with any college, let alone wustl, I’m voting to ignore interestingguy… The fact that harvard and Yale are bigger undergrad destinations than wustl is well known and doesn’t require attending each school sequentially. Because this is getting lame.</p>
<p>Don’t worry, guys. For some reason, this guy spends all his time on the Duke forums bashing Duke, too. He claims to go to a school that is ranked above Duke by about 6 places, so I am assuming that if he is telling the truth he goes to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Stanford.</p>
<p>If he represents the majority of kids going to those places, I’m glad I go to Duke and not HYPS.</p>
<p>InterestingGuy, accept the fact that Duke/WUSTL are great schools and stop ■■■■■■■■. </p>
<p>For the original poster: just study hard, and I’m sure you will do fine. Duke has a very high LSAT average; however, kids who don’t study still won’t get the mean of 163 at Duke, just like kids at WashU who study will score over WashU’s mean.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>^this. :)</p>
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<p>This comment is completely anecdotal – but I do know a recent Wash U grad who went on to Harvard Law School. My daughter (not a Wash U grad) graduated from Stanford Law School, and there was a student in her class from Wash U.</p>
<p>Perhaps it might sometimes even be a small advantage to graduate from a school that does NOT send lots of students to top law schools. Some law schools probably prefer diversity even with respect to undergraduate institution. A recent Stanford Law School class (of around 170 students) included students with undergrad degrees from Iowa State, Georgia Tech, Pomona, University of Washington-Seattle, etc.</p>
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<p>It is very telling that WUSTL apologists rely on completely anecdotal opinions. Because there are absolutely no FACTS to support that WUSTL is a good place to go for aspiring law students.</p>
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<p>Wow. Your daughter knows ONE WashU grad at Stanford Law. So WashU is doing no better than, say, Iowa State.</p>
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<p>This makes no sense at all. By this logic, pre-law students should go to the worst, most underrepresented undergrad as possible so that they can (maybe slightly) increase their chances as a “diversity” admit. By the same logic, pre-med students should stay away from WUSTL because there are so many of them?</p>