Yale 2024 Applicants Discussion

@Lunarlitgend is absolutely right. When drafting essays, it can be easy to fall into the trap of writing what you think the admissions officers want to see rather than what you want to write about. There are plenty of successful essays that discuss the most mundane of topics, but they were still successful because they showcased the character and interests of the applicant. It’s okay if you haven’t had a life-changing experience - find something that you’re passionate about and write about it, your essay can still be very successful.

For those of you who don’t know what to write about, it helps to do a “free write”, which involves writing non-stop for ten minutes or so. Just write down whatever is in your head, and if your mind is blank, think about significant memories you’ve had and discuss them. After the time is up, put aside the stuff you’ve written for a day or two. Then, come back to it and read what you wrote, looking for interesting stories that could paint a picture of you or unique experiences that may answer a prompt perfectly. You can repeat this process for as long as necessary; eventually, something will jump out. I did this when thinking of ideas and it really helped to see my thoughts out on a page.

Best of Luck to everyone!

@herewego2024 YAYYYY :smiley:
I’m so happy to hear that!! :smiley:
The process is definitely daunting but once you understand it it’s not as bad as you think :slight_smile:

@Bippitybopity Well said! :smiley:
Speaking of essays, I’m starting mine today. I love creative writing so the essays is probably something I’m going to take the most seriously. I’ve been thinking about my topic since sophomore year and I remember the perfect topic (FOR ME) just hit me while I was cooking eggs :joy: So I already know what I’m going to write about and I’ll start writing my essay today.
Just a side note, take @Bippitybopity advice. But remember that sometimes the best ideas hit you when you least expect it. I’ve been planning but again my idea came when I was making eggs. :joy:
So if you can’t think of anything while you’re planning, just leave it alone for awhile and something may come to you :slight_smile:

Wow, all of you guys have posted some incredible and amazing advice on here. Thanks to all of the wisdom you guys have provided for the members of this group and for future readers!

While I am far from an admissions counselor as well, and I am merely a member of the Class of 2024 applying to universities this fall and winter, I definitely want to emphasize that essays are very important in the college admissions process, but not for the reasons we may believe them to be, and also provide tips for essays not just for the college application but for writing them in general.

The key thing to remember about the essays are that they are opportunities to be authentic and to practice your free will. Nearly all the information on the applications are just letters and grades, from your GPA, SAT/ACT, Subject Tests, etc. Pretty much the only really good opportunities to showcase your identity are through essays, letters of recommendation, interviews/video portfolios, and out of all those events, your essays are your best shot at showcasing your identity simply because it is the activity in which you have the most amount of choice in deciding how you would like to plan it out.

This sense of freedom you get with the essay is both liberating yet daunting. It’s liberating in that it gives you an opportunity to showcase your identity, like I said earlier, but the fact that it is so broad makes it a challenge in itself. There are so many topics you can talk about, from philosophy, your passions, general daily life, etc. that it seems almost illogical that all you get is less than 650 words on the Common and Coalition App to write a personal statement.

Because it can be so broad, you want to take the topic you want to talk about and connect it to your life. For example, let’s say you were instructed to write an essay in which you must argue whether the trees in New York City should be preserved or cut. Then, the first things that you may want to consider is, “How do trees connect with my life?” Well, let’s say you have a hobby of reading. So, first, you would think, “Well, if I don’t have any trees, I can’t read because then I can’t breathe, and therefore, I will die.” Then, you may form an opinion that you would like to argue to preserve trees, as it connects to your life. The fact that it connects to you, personally, is important, and we’ll elaborate on that later.

After you have formulated your opinion, you want to dedicate your first paragraph to completely grabbing the reader’s attention but not without losing your authenticity. Basically, you are going from the big to the small- deductive reasoning. For example, for the trees essay, you would start off your essay with something like, “Trees have served as a pivotal part of world history even longer than humans gained the ability to understand time, a man-made mathematical concept.” Essentially, you are hooking the reader by introducing something that seems unrelated to the essay yet doesn’t break the rules. Then, after elaborating philosophically for a few sentences, you would make a transition in which you go from the broad to the specific by introducing your thesis. For example, you may say, “While many business owners and community leaders may oppose tree preservation movements in efforts to create new homes, programs, and public facilities for the general welfare, I believe in the preservation of trees because… so and so reasons.”

Then, you want to spend the second, third, and fourth paragraphs elaborating your argument, going into explanations for your reasoning behind your opinion. The main goal of these three paragraphs is to relate them back to your thesis without repeating the statement unnecessarily.

With the final paragraph, this is your chance to go as wild and crazy as you would like. This is the one where there are no boundaries, and the paragraph in which I recommend taking as many risks you possibly can. The goal is to go from the specific to the broad, basically erasing the development you created in your first paragraph. Instead of restating your thesis and wrapping it up, you want to go beyond the prompt and provoke a further question. With the trees essay, for example, you might say in the last paragraph, “While the tree preservation movements have compelling arguments, there is a key motivation behind these movements that both sides have ignored. Trees aid not only in creating a peaceful, prosperous, and beautiful environment for everyone, but they allow the most miraculous marvel of all: life. In an universe where it is so rare to exist, let alone live, how can we allow the death of the very beings that allow us to exist? We view dogs as humans’ best friends, and for good reason, but why have we not made trees our best friends too?” Then, with your provocative diction, you would elaborate on why trees are so essential to life and be able tot wrap your piece off with a question left to the reader.

While I wrote mostly about writing a five paragraph essay in school, the reason why I stated this process is important for personal statements is because personal statements are all about taking snapshots of your life and conveying an epiphany. What event in your life sparked character development in you? Life is a cinematic and literary universe, and our lives are installments in a book or film series in which all our lives loosely connected. We play protagonists in our life film or novel, best friends in our best friends’ installments, cameos in the films and books of strangers, and sidekicks in others. We are dynamic characters, and YOU have a story to tell. YOU are everlasting, for you will exist in this time period and always will, and nothing can change that.

When you write an essay authentically, you not only write it better, but you go through another character development and reach an epiphany. In its own right, writing an essay is kinda like metawriting and metaepiphany. It’s writing about writing and discovering an epiphany in an epiphany.

@Lunarlitgend and @Bippitybopity are 100% correct in that we should not write essays based on what we think admissions counselors would like to see. All they want you to see is the amazing aspects of you. They’re all rooting for you, just like everyone in this group is too! @herewego2024 You got this! Good luck.

Have a nice day.

amazing advice @excoverer will make sure to make note and follow this advice! thank you!

@excoverer. Yes. Amazing advice. Thank you for all that you put on here, will definitely use the advice you put out!

LOL, this chat has been dormant for a while so I decided to hop on in and check on everyone. How are you guys doing? Has anyone gotten far on their essays and common app yet?
I just finished filling out my activities section and honors.
Just as I expected, it was HARD.
I’ve read that the activities section is not only the most overlooked/underestimated section but it’s also the hardest to fill out. I tried to be as tactful/careful as I could, especially since the activities section is supposedly the basis of setting up your essays and your passions and explaining them in, again, your essays. So it’s a little weird being done. I expect it to change a bit though once the school year starts.
Other than that, I hope you all are doing well and the common app/your essays are going smoothly :slight_smile:

@Lunarlitgend quite far on the essays but as usual I’m gonna be paranoid and keep looking over them. I don’t want to have any stupid mistakes I’ll regret lol. Hopefully everyone is doing well though.

@LilHopefulYalie That’s great! :smiley:
LOL, it’s fine, it’s only natural to feel that way. :slight_smile:
I just finished writing my common app essay. I literally wrote it in one sitting from 3:00 am to 5:00 am in the morning. I know, I stayed up pretty late but I’ve heard that if you have an idea but you’re so nitpicky and scared that you just keep deleting paragraphs then it’s better to write when your brain is tired because you care less about expectations and it’s easier to just write without having any care in the world. :joy:

I’m going to start my supplements this week though and along with that some more research on the school :slight_smile:

@Lunarlitgend yeah i think i need to do more research on the school too! I’m also trying to fine tune my supplement essays, good luck with yours!

@LilHopefulYalie Thank you! :smiley:
If you haven’t started your common app essay yet, I wish you the best of luck on it as well :slight_smile:

It’s crazy because I’ve always read the “applicants discussion” from previous classes for schools such as Yale, and now I’m finally a part of the applying class (which is why I made this account haha). Best of luck to everybody here on all of your applications! It’s still so surreal to me that I’m about to enter my senior year.

@hollabackboi Dude, you 100% stated how much I feel right now and I’m sure a lot of people agree with you too. I can’t believe that I’m going to be on the other side after spending so much time being the one reading the comments. I wish you the best of luck too :slight_smile:

Hey everyone! I started my personal statement a few weeks ago because our English final was to write one, but I’m not too sure I’m gonna use it. I totally understand why you guys are thinking a lot about it. Good luck!

Have a nice day.

Hi guys! I thought I’d join in on the discussion. Does anyone know Yale’s supplemental questions for this year?

@jewel78 I assume they aren’t any different from last year. If there are any changes they’re probably really small tweaks. If you’re wondering when the updated supplements come out, though, it’s in August.

Thanks a lot! I’m pretty excited to start writing for these essays.

@jewel78 You’re welcome! LOL me too! I already started writing them out and writing drafts. I hope you’re doing well with your process :smiley:

How many schools are you guys applying to? I’ve been stuck in the high teens, which I know is a lot, but I am so worried I am not going to get into any schools :confused:

@Pentatonix123 Honestly, relatable. :joy:
Don’t feel bad, though, a lot of people seem to be applying in the teens. But if I were you I would do some thorough research on your schools and continue to narrow them down as best as you can. The schools that you’re left with have to be schools that you would like attending, including (ESPECIALLY) your safety schools. I used to have like 10+ schools too until I narrowed it down. For instance, I considered applying to USC but I realized that I don’t want to live in California because it is WAYYY too far from home and I don’t do well in hot weather sooo :joy:
I’m only applying to 5 schools
Yale, UPenn, UMich, U of M twin cities, and University of St. Thomas. I’m also considering WashU, though, so if I do end up applying that would be 6. I just don’t want to apply to too many schools because it’s expensive and I don’t want to swamp myself with a lot of essays to write. Plus I’m really picky when it comes to choosing schools, especially in regards to location. I want to have variety but I don’t want too much variety because I can be so indecisive. My parents want me to apply to 10 schools, though, and it’s putting a lot of pressure on me because I don’t feel comfortable doing that, but we’ll see I guess. :joy:

@Lunarlitgend Wow, it’s great that you’ve narrowed it down! I’m so indecisive… but I’m hoping more college visits will help me decide :slight_smile: