<p>DocT, did you even read either of the article's you posted? The first one (which you posted entirely unsourced) managed to misspell Maya Lin's name and talked about the 'wrong' side of the green like it actually existed (never in my 17 years of living in New Haven has anyone talked about the green like that.) It relies on completely anecdotal evidence, citing zero statistics or facts that relate to New Haven. It throws around a bunch of fancy percents and numbers that are specific to the ENTIRE COUNTRY and then tries to pass them off as relating somehow to the plight of the people it talks about in New Haven. It is an incredibly slanted article that uses individual portraits to try and paint a picture statistics simply do not back up. Not to mention the description it provides of New Haven itself is inaccurate (i'm still chuckling over "wrong side of the green").</p>
<p>Nobody is denying that there is hardship in the city. But New Haven is not a ghetto. And for the record, the second article you posted, in all its 500 words, mentions New Haven for one sentence. And note that New Haven is cited as not having the highest violent crime rate (what people associate danger with), but rather the highest overall crime rate. Nowhere in the discussion of violent crime does New Haven's name come up in that article. You know, robberies, rapes, murders, assaults.</p>
<p>You elitists can throw all the unreliable, ambiguous, biased, and vague evidence you want around, but the truth remains that Yale is one of the safest Ivy League communities, and New Haven is not a particularly dangerous city to live in.</p>
<p>Saying New York is more dangerous to live in than New Haven is absolutely ridiculous. You'd rather live in Queensbridge, the largest housing project in North America? Where Mobb Deep comes from? They described Queensbridge as "similar to Vietnam" on an album. Yeah, I'd definitely rather live there. It's ludicrous to say New Haven is more dangerous than New York City, than Jamaica or parts of Harlem or Queensbridge or whatever impoverished neighborhood you want to pick. You think Nas was kidding when he said "I think of crime when I'm in a New York state of mind?"</p>
<p>I have lived in CT for > 50 years. It is well know that the 4 of the poorest cities in the US were Hartford, Bridgeport, New Haven and Waterbury. I live near New Haven, and have gone into the city numerous times. Around, Yale, it is pretty safe but to say that New Haven is a safe city is ridiculous. The mention in the NY Times article that is only 1 sentence long states that New Haven had the highest crime rate - how much clearer can it be!</p>
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The mention in the NY Times article that is only 1 sentence long states that New Haven had the highest crime rate - how much clearer can it be!
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<p>That article was published in the NY Times Nov. 22, 1999, not today. It would be a lot 'clearer' if you had cited a more recent statistic.</p>
<p>And anyone who has any familiarity with NYC knows that it's very safe now. I grew up there in the 1960's and 70's and the difference is quite astonishing. Of course, Times Square now looks like Disney World, but that's a different issue.</p>
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<p>If having black people living in it makes a city look like a ghetto or a war zone than, yes, New Haven and Darfur are pretty much identical.</p>
<p>LOL. You ignorant idiots! Go back to Pleasantville and yes, please, do us all a favor and don't bring your tiny, closed minds anywhere near Yale.</p>
<p>No one ever said that NYC was more dangerous than New Haven, from what I remember. I said that there were just as many, if not more, beggars in NYC... not the same thing. There are beggars in NY everywhere, which was the comparison I was trying to make.</p>
<p>I think that I take the "ghetto" attack on New Haven much more personally since I live in the Bronx, which apparently outside of NY, and even in NY, has a horrible reputation. People, ignorant people no doubt, actually have asked whether we have to dodge bullets when walking down the street... This is the picture that most people basically use to describe New Haven as well and it really upsets me when it is 1. clearly untrue and/or 2. very exaggerated.</p>
<p>No one ever said that NYC was more dangerous than New Haven, from what I remember. I said that there were just as many, if not more, beggars in NYC... not the same thing. There are beggars in NY everywhere, which was the comparison I was trying to make.</p>
<p>That's a pretty poor comparison as NYC has ~17 x the area of New Haven and more than 60 x the population. Why don't you compare it to a comparable city in population like Stamford.</p>
<p>My original post was meant to emphasize the fact that just because there are beggars in an area doesn't make that area "a ghetto." That's not the definition of "a ghetto." So, I'm saying that there are beggars everywhere in NYC (even in places that are unarguably NOT ghettos. That was the point of my comparison, and therefore not a poor one. Plus, I haven't experienced any other city comparable to New Haven as I've lived in NYC my whole life.</p>
<p>DocT: You are a Harvard parent who has posted frequently about Harvard’s alleged pre-eminence. I certainly agree with you that Harvard is a great school. So is Yale. I really don’t understand why Harvard proponents feel the need to come over to the Yale board to talk trash, either directly or, in this instance, by citing an outdated news piece that portrays the Yale campus in a bad light.</p>
<p>Don't forget that Yale's location has not stopped the 70% of admitted applicants from attending (and this is a CONSISTENT figure). Don't let it stop you either. New Haven right around Yale is a great college town, and safety is not an issue as long as you use common sense (as in any city).</p>
<p>In the end, Yale students are among the happiest and prideful students in the nation. This is a general consensus (even if I must cite the Princeton Review). </p>
<p>Kicharo, if you're going to attempt to defend yourself amongst the string of convincing posts that appear to be proving you wrong, at least use some substantiation. If you hate New Haven so much, don't apply. I don't think any of us care whether or not you do (although I for sure wouldn't want you at Yale). You lack basic common sense if you're trying to convince several Yale students that New Haven is a depressing, deadly college town. I mean, we're the ones who actually LIVE there.</p>
<p>"Some truth" yes, reasonable founding for your claims? No, every big city is going to have its problems, and because you just insist on pointing out all of the bad things, you're pathetic. </p>
<p>Oh, and if you think for one second that Brown is everything you think it is, you're sadly mistaken.</p>
<p>"You lack basic common sense if you're trying to convince several Yale students that New Haven is a depressing, deadly college town. I mean, we're the ones who actually LIVE there."</p>
<p>First of all, I never implied that it was deadly. Others in this thread have discussed the relative danger of New Haven.</p>
<p>I am not trying to convince Yale students that the city their school is located in is depressing, I am expressing my opinion that it is depressing. </p>
<p>"Oh, and if you think for one second that Brown is everything you think it is, you're sadly mistaken."</p>
<p>A little creepy to look through previous posts in my profile?</p>
<p>And I'm "pathetic" for expressing my views on the campus of a school?--Who is the immature party in this thread?...</p>
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<p>Clearly YOU are the pathetic party in this thread because while you may be "simply expressing your opinion that Yale is depressing" what possible purpose could you have had for posting it in this section? You obviously know that the people who post in this section are Pro-Yale, most likely those who would like to one day attend Yale. So a thread of this nature is simply flame baiting and trolling and by definition, trolls are pathetic.</p>
<p>The fact that you are even attempting to turn this around on me when you yourself refuse to reflect on your actions exemplifies your close-mindedness and hypocrisy.</p>
<p>I skimmed through your previous posts in a (futile) attempt to delve into the ignorant mind of a troll. What I came up with is that you are someone who refuses to look at something objectively and take a holistic viewpoint. In other words, you are quintessentially ignorant. Yet somehow, you manage to praise some other school and completely ignore ITS faults, successfully further extending your hypocrisy.</p>
<p>You are a troll. You are ignorant. You are hypocritical. You are pathetic.</p>
<p>"You are a troll. You are ignorant. You are hypocritical. You are pathetic."</p>
<p>I loled... Sorry, but I'm not a troll and your other ad hominen arguments just make you look silly. </p>
<p>Um, anyways. I made this thread because many prospective students who may not be able to visit Yale come to this board. I gave them my opinion. Dozens of counter-opinions were offered. Let non-Yalies make their own judgments.</p>
<p>I'm sorry but I can't resist, it's ad homineM, and in order to have an ad hominem argument, you need to have a legitimate factual claim that I'm trying to detract from, which you unfortunately do not have. I wouldn't use terminology you don't really understand. </p>
<p>I also like how you completely ignored my point. Typical </p>
<p>Well I'm done with this thread, its obviously going no where.</p>
<p>Another thing about Yale’s self-contained urban campus – it is so vibrant, so exciting. Yale’s particular brand of energy is tough to describe, but when we visited with our son, and when he visited again during Bulldog Days, that was the element that set Yale apart from the rest. During our initial visit, we all said we felt the energy percolating through the concrete sidewalks, even with a wind chill factor of minus 8 degrees! No other campus came close.</p>
<p>Different elements resonate for different students. That’s what makes campus visits so important. (Ironically, OP, for S the school that came closest in feel to Yale was Brown.) </p>
<p>If safety is a student’s paramount concern, NO urban school is the right choice. There are plenty of bucolic suburban and rural choices.</p>
<p>Last summer, as part of the New England leg of D’s college tour, we visited Yale, Brown, MIT, Dartmouth, Amherst, and Williams--a range of kinds of campuses and locations. We live in a small, safe, mid-western city. D applied SCEA to Yale, was accepted, and will be headed out to New Haven later this week. Her safety has always been one of our main concerns. We all know that New Haven is not perfect, that there are areas away from campus that she will not enter, and that there are a small number of people on campus who seem to have endured more than their fair share of hardship. Still, I couldn’t be happier with her decision to go to Yale. I believe she could have gone to any college of her choosing, and honestly think it’s the best college/university in the world for her right now.</p>
<p>There's no point in really engaging Kicharo on this issue at this point... clearly he wasn't intending to foster legitimate discussion on Yale and New Haven. Feigning innocent intention is a pretty common tactic from trolls who like to rile things up. -shrugs- Best to leave them alone.</p>
<p>I personally love Yale and New Haven, and I don't care how many articles or stats Harvard parents post about the city's destitution (as pathetic as that is in its own right... you would think a parent would have something better to do than pick fights with a bunch of teenagers and college students from his or her child's rival school). I couldn't be happier with my choice.</p>
<p>Kicharo - We responded with an onslaught because it's frustrating that uninformed people routinely post criticisms about New Haven that aren't true. You discourage people from visiting and applying to Yale based on false information and outdated perceptions. You've probably noticed that the vast majority of Yalies are very enthusiastic about their college, and we want as many people as possible to recognize what Yale has to offer because we enjoy our experiences here and think others would want to be here just as much.</p>