<p>Hi,</p>
<p>How are the above 4 ivys - Yale, Dartmouth, Brown and Columbia for Economics? What about Computer Science\Engg.?</p>
<p>Also, I heard that Columbia is very stingy with aid to international students (I heard that only 4 internationals got aid last year!). Is this true?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>All 4 of those Ivies are average in Engineering. Brown is good in Computer Science though. Columbia and Yale are great in Economics, and Brown and Dartmouth are also good. If you are more inclined to study Economics, all four schools are excellent choices and you should go for "fit". If computer science is your thing, you may want to cancel Yale and Dartmouth and maybe add MIT and Stanford. If Engineering is your thing, forget about all 4 of the Ivies on your list, and apply to schools like Cornell, MIT, Princeton and Stanford. </p>
<p>I would recommend Cal and Michigan (both are tops in the fields you are considering) too, but they do not give aid to internationals.</p>
<p>Personally, if you are undecided between Economics, CS and Engineering and need a substantial amount of aid, why don't you apply to schools that are good in all three and give aid to internationals? Like:</p>
<p>Carnegie Mellon University
Cornell University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Stanford University
University of Texas-Austin</p>
<p>I am assuming you are a top notch student since all of those schools are selective to impossible!</p>
<p>All I know is that Columbia is <em>not</em> need blind when considering international applicants. If you're applying for aid and someone with similar stats is not, they *may<a href="and%20I%20stress,%20%5Bi%5Dmay%5B/i%5D">/i</a> be given an advantage. However, DON'T let this hold you back! Definitely apply if you're interested.</p>
<p>Are Univs like Tufts, Cooper Union, Harvey Mudd better at Computer Science & Engineering than Dartmouth, Brown, Yale & Columbia?</p>
<p>Thanks
P.S. - If you can recommend Univs better than the ivys mentioned above which offer aid to intls it would be great.
P.P.S - I'm already applying to MIT, Stanford, Caltech, USC, Cornell, Harvard, Princeton, Northwestern, Duke & UPenn.</p>
<p>If you apply to that entire list: MIT stanford Harv Pton NU Duke Penn Dartmouth Brown Cornell and Columbia - every school on that list has a good econ program, overall excellent academics, and those are considered among the best schools in the country...so you'd need safeties, considering you are an International</p>
<p>Harvey Mudd has a great CS and engineering program, but its really different from most colleges.</p>
<p>it's pretty foolish to cross out dartmouth for either. the economics instruction at Dartmouth is phenomenal, and so is the Computer Science insutrction. Dartmouth is at the forefront of innovation in computer science, from having the best campus wireless network to being the home of the computer's invention to simply making continual advancements in computers. </p>
<p>for economics, the instruction is equally as good, one of the more popular majors with professors who are extremely accessible, classes that are rigorous and rewarding, and internship possibilities up the wazoo. Dartmouth is lauded for building world class social skills, invaluable in the business world, good for foreign study, a plus, not that hard to double major at, and is on the quarter system, which lets you take on internships when others are at school. Thus you get experience, a name comparable to Yale/Columbia/Brown/Harvard ... maybe not Princeton with regard to economics, and sociability to boot. Plus Dartmouth is more fun.</p>