<p>You are breathtakingly dishonest, TROLLSTER. New Haven is among the poorest cities in Connecticut. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY ITS CRIME RATE IS AMONG THE HIGHEST IN Connecticut as well.</p>
<p>Please stop shouting. I think you are just confusing the difference between a city and a "place." A "place" could be any artificial definition - a campus, for example (see <a href="http://www.stalcommpol.org/data.html%5B/url%5D">www.stalcommpol.org/data.html</a> for an example of a comparison of "places"). Or a tiny political jurisdiction, like a borough or town, even if it's just a few square miles. A city, however, is a wide area with an integrated economy and a particular area most people recognize as the center. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to compare "places" in any rational or meaningful way, but it is very easy to compare cities, as with the list above showing San Francisco and New Haven are clearly the two wealthiest cities in the country.</p>
<p>The persistent poverty and crime levels in New Haven - both among the highest in the state - reflect, in part the changing demographics. According to the census bureau, non-hispanic whites are now only a little more than 35% of the population.</p>
<p>Races in New Haven:</p>
<pre><code>* Black (37.4%)
* White Non-Hispanic (35.6%)
* Hispanic (21.4%)
* Other race (10.9%)
* Two or more races (3.9%)
* Chinese (1.4%)
* American Indian (1.2%)
* Other Asian (0.8%)
* Asian Indian (0.7%)
</code></pre>
<p>What's your point? New York City - the five boroughs - are just 34.98% "White Non-Hispanic." I guess the "changing demographics" have affected New York City, too. Have you ever thought that that's part of the reason why New York and New Haven both have so many great ethnic restaurants, and why both city centers are seeing the construction of thousands of luxury apartments and million-dollar loft condominiums? Diversity is THE thing that makes cities attractive these days. And as a result, out of all the Ivy League schools, Yale, being in the center of a major city across from the City Hall and surrounded by hundreds of ethnic restaurants, easily has the best location (<a href="http://www.infonewhaven.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.infonewhaven.com/</a>, click on "Downtown Guide").</p>
<p>In broader terms, the overall New Haven and New York City areas are actually more than 75% "white non-hispanic" and about 11% black, with significant other minority groups of course. They are both very wealthy areas. As the posts above show, New York is the 11th richest city in the country; New Haven and San Francisco are the two richest. Boston is 16th- and in that case, it's perhaps because it is actually LESS diverse than some of the wealthier areas. But the city centers (or "places") are indeed very diverse, just like the United States is becoming as a whole. Again, you are confusing a census place with a city (urban area).</p>
<p>So Byerly, are you saying a city of ten square feet with 5 violent crimes is safer than a city of one hundred square feet with 10 violent crimes?</p>
<p>234th richest city/town in connecticut (out of 244). HTH.</p>
<p>How many people live in each of your hypothetical cities .. ie, the one with 10 square feet and the one with 100 square feet?</p>
<p>PosterX - I gotta hand it to you - I love your trash talking. I've lived in Connecticut for over 50 years and the bottom line is that everybody knows that the major cities in Connecticut are dumps. The standard joke is that Connecticut is just a highway between NYC and Boston. To compare New Haven to NYC, Chicago and Boston as far as density or anything has had me falling off my chair for days! Keep it up - you are really entertaining!!!</p>
<p>Do you remember the old days?</p>
<p>The vintage TROLLSTER, under a string of aliases, would also regale us with tales of the hundreds of "upscale martini bars" located within 11 inches of the Yale campus, then post and repost links to restaurant reviews of pizza joints.</p>
<p>Whoever would have thought they'd let him back inside the tent again!</p>
<p>For your sake, I hope you don't keep it up, DocT because housing prices in New Haven have tripled just in the past few years, coinciding with the arrival of hundreds of new restaurants, businesses, theaters and the like. If you buy now, you might be able to get one of the (smaller) new condominiums in the downtown area for just a shade under a million dollars. <a href="http://www.johnsonsimons.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.johnsonsimons.com/</a></p>
<p>posterx, I am wondering if you truly care about colleges or simply are trying to increase the value of your real estate portfolio? Are you in fact a realtor? It would all make sense if your face was one of those tiny smiling mugshots above many the luxurious appointments and sweeping views,..but don't take it personally. I will look for your sweeping views when you undergo the next periodic reincarnation under a new name less dramatic than the zorro-like posterx, you unsquashable phoenix you.</p>
<p>many the=the many
sorry, dyslexic I'm</p>
<p>This TROLL posted approx 135 times just last week!</p>
<p>Just this week he started 3 negative trolls at the respective Universities' forums (Yale, Stanford, Princeton).</p>
<p>This week, he HATED Joey Cheek, and knows all about his personal hypocritical motivations, posting more than 15 times about Joey. </p>
<p>This week, he spends A LOT of time on the Yale forum (almost twice as much time as on his beloved alma mater), 59 posts in 1 week!</p>
<p>This week he mixed it up with moms whose sons have been rejected from Harvard, put down moms whose sons were accepted to W&L, and burst the bubble of starry eyed girls who have been accepted to Yale.</p>
<p>But most of all, he just HATES TROLLSTER Posterx. This TROLL sure hates TROLLS!</p>
<p>true,.. but wit makes up for bile</p>
<p>They say brevity is the soul of wit,
so he wallows in bile the bulk of the week.</p>
<p>converting your mockery into his smile</p>
<p>let him then wallow in smile
and we'll all win by a mile</p>
<p>Hecatonchires, you are absolutely correct. Also, it was interesting to note that the pro-Harvard posters who started this thread immediately began to avoid the rebuttals of their argument, such as <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=2421216&postcount=24%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=2421216&postcount=24</a> and the fact that New Haven and San Francisco are the two wealthiest cities in the country, as shown above (and, incidentally, when you take those figures on income and divide by the cost of living, New Haven becomes by far the wealthiest city in the country, beating out expensive San Fran by a mile).</p>
<p>Rorosen, even if I owned real estate in New Haven, I certainly wouldn't need to post here to increase its value, particularly given that housing prices have tripled there in just a few years.</p>
<p>Poster X - you are full of it. I don't need to look whatever references you've listed at all. I live 20 miles away in New Haven county. I go to the Kline Science library all the time. I go to Yale - New Haven Hospital frequently. Any statistic that says that New Haven is one of the wealthiest cities is including the Stamford - Norwalk area which is a far cry from New Haven. It is a bogus statistic which combines MSA's into CMSA's. Not only is New Haven a dump but most of the towns in the area are also. Wealthy? Like where - Hamden?? West Haven?? Ansonia?? Name one wealthy town that is truly in the New Haven area - within ten miles. Connecticut is a small state - Greenwich, Darien, New Canaan are not in the New Haven area. The bottom line is that the New Haven metro area isn't even as wealthy as the Hartford area.</p>
<p>Yeah there are some cool restaurants near Yale but you need to go through slums to get to them. The population of New Haven is increasing slightly but so is every other city in CT since 2000. New Haven's population is down close to 30% since the 60's. Prices have not tripled in New Haven in the last few years. The median sale price of a home in 2003 was $139000. Now it is $189900.</p>
<p>Not one single student from my daughter's school even applied to Yale - principally because it is New Haven. To compare the Boston area and New Haven is truly ludicrous.</p>
<p>I don't go to Yale, but I have lived in New Haven for the last 3-4 years. The areas where most Yale students live are incredibly safe. In fact, that's why I chose to live in the Yalie neighborhoods (and the 45 minute commute that comes with it) instead of the area immediately surrounding my uni's campus. In my neighborhood, the only crime spree I can remember was a purse snatcher. He just snatched purses. Other places should be so lucky. </p>
<p>New Haven is an incredibly stratified city. While crime may occur frequently, it remains highly concentrated in a handful of areas. Dwight, Park and much of Edgewood are not the major focus of such activity. (I've lived in that neighborhood; I'm a 23 year old woman, and I feel less safe walking on my own uni's campus in the evening that I ever did there.) Newhallville, West Rock, Fair Haven, and the Hill are entirely different stories. But those are far from anywhere a Yale student will live. </p>
<p>For a really interesting article on New Haven, check this out:
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,825149,00.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,825149,00.html</a></p>