@PengsPhils Curious: Are you referring to the Amherst absurdity or the Yale debate? I’m assuming you mean the Amherst document since “virtually non-existent off CC” would be a pretty dang inaccurate way to describe what’s going on at Yale. And if you mean Amhers, what is hilarious paranoia: the Amherst document or the responses to it?
And, jeez, why does someone always come along with the, “this discussion was done 30 pages ago” comment when discussions get lively on CC? This has been, hands down, the best, most respectful, most thought-provoking discussion I’ve ever seen on CC. Lots of us changed our points of view somewhere in the last 30 pages precisely because of the thoughtful back and forth. Keep on keepin’ on I say!
An excerpt from “Get out of My Class and Leave America” by Mike Adams:
“It is entirely possible that the main reason why so many of you are confused about free speech is that piece of paper hanging on the wall right over there…It is our campus speech code. It specifically says that there is a requirement that everyone must only engage in discourse that is “respectful.” That assertion is as ludicrous as it is illegal…Of course, this ban on “disrespectful” speech is really only illusory. The university that created these speech restrictions then turns around and sponsors plays like The Vagina Monologues, which is loaded with profanity including the c-word – the most offensive and disrespectful word a person could ever possibly apply to a woman. It is pure, unadulterated hypocrisy…So, the university position can be roughly summarized as follows: Public university administrators have a First Amendment right to use disrespectful profanity but public university students do not.”
Out of all the colleges we visited this spring, Bates had what felt to me like the firmest and deepest commitment to diversity. They’ve been at the forefront from the beginning. That Q and A comes, I think from deep knowledge and long, careful thought about what it means to be a welcoming, diverse academic community. Just terrific stuff.
I just read a local news article about Cornell University saying that a white student organized a March to oppose racism bit was forced to cancel because he is white. This is just ludicrous. It certainly seems as if the protesting types really do want to separate the races.
I find many of the critical and dismissive posts about the “over-sensitive, coddled, thin-skinned” Yale students problematic. Are people aware of the vastly different graduation rates between black and white Yale students? Is this because the white students are more resilient? Should students of color just suck it up?
Most of us haven’t experienced what it’s like to be a student of color at Yale (or Missouri or most other schools). If you talk to students of color about their experiences with the Chistakis at Harvard, for example, many were none too pleased (you can google facts about their tenure at Harvard).
Erika Chistakis’s email to the Siliman community was bizarre and provocative. I also believe the young woman’s rant was highly disrespecful and inappropriate (and i’m sure she will be eternally mortified by it), but it doesn’t invalidate many students’ discomfort.
The context is important here, and i still wonder why Erika felt compelled to send that bizarre, self-indulgent email. Most of my friends at Yale were shocked by its tone deafness. Emails by college masters are almost universally supportive and informative. Erika seemed like she had an axe to grind.
I pretty much knew they’d both be decently over 90%. Anyone who’s ever attended Yale or any similar college would know that.
To be honest, anyone who’s ever spoken with a black Yale student would know that they’re perfectly capable of graduating.
Unfortunately, @Sue22 gave the answer to my quiz before Regurg01 could impeach himself / herself.
Just goes to show you that people can hold deeply prejudiced assumptions regardless of their politics.
Of course, Yale’s financial aid, funded by its generous alumni, has a lot to do with helping all students, black or white, graduate.
P.S. Actually, the latest figures I have are 94.2% vs 97.3%, for a difference of 3.1%. So things have gotten 25% better in just one year, Cardinal Fang
Well ignore my post # 1051. Looks like a non-issue, particularly at a 100% need met school.
And note to self: do not try to catch up on cc on the phone while making pumpkin muffins. CC requires undivided attention.
I’d like to see some of the marginalized Yaie students step up for the marginalized people of New Haven. Demanding Yale pay taxes–or make an equivalent annual donation in lieu of taxes-- would be a good start.
