FWIW, the Yale 2014-5 CDS shows 2578/5477 undergrads (degree and non degree seeking) as caucasian. Thats 47% http://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/CDS2014_2015.pdf Then there is that pesky 10% “nonresident alien” category. Maybe those are the martians of which The GPG speaks above
All kidding aside, the racial makeup of that group is not broken out, so whether Yale undergrad is minority or majority caucasian is unclear from these data.
The 1.6% non-reported ethnicity may be a mixture of ORMs and those who simply prefer not to report. But it is a small #, less than 2%.
And interestingly, not a single native Hawaiian is self-identified in the 2-14-15 group.
I went to a large public university with a huge sports tradition. Now, if I complained about the noise from a football game or special pep rally, yeah, I might have been met with a rolled eye or two, due to the fact that it’s pretty well known that football games at that school command a lot of attention. Even so, I never had a problem finding a quiet place to study at my school, even on game days.
But even at my large university, students were pretty understanding of the fact that we were all there to get an education, and complaining about wild parties, riots, belligerent drunks, and loud obnoxious fraternity parties would not have been met with the reaction you noted. No one in my experience ever told me not to be serious about school, and though we never had a riot while I was there, I find it impossible to believe that anyone, whether student/alum/faculty, would have been okay with that. I can’t speak to the atmosphere there today, as I haven’t set foot on campus in many years.
It’s not surprising. By way of example, in the last 15 years YLS has not not admitted a single native student. With H and S having more than a few in almost every class.
Some college campus cultures, students, and sometimes older alums/parents are more reasonable like the one you experienced. The ones my classmates attended…which included both private and public Us were not as reasonable on that score. Incidentally, most of the classmates ended up transferring out to colleges where this wasn’t nearly as much of an issue.
Most went to their first colleges because it was one of their few options vis a vis HS stats, received great FA/merit money, and/or believing some parents who said “every school could be a party school” and a party school reputation shouldn’t be a factor. On the last, one they they’ve all learned was that last bit of advice was totally wrong from their experiences and it should be weighed seriously before accepting the admission offer.
panpacific-
The Factsheet lists university-wide students, and lists “white and other” together in the category with 72%, and clearly indicates that students who identify in more than one category are listed in both. Hence the #s add up to almost 116%, not 100%. Not sure you need to apologize for anything. The CDS has a somewhat clearer breakout. And The International students come from 117 different countries, so likely a mixture of caucasian and non-caucasian students.
And Ixnay,
That photo has surfaced on many facebook pages. But nope. That wasn’t the market. The one where this occurred is one that caters to a large Jewish population.
Just to clarify: because Yale counts bi-racial students in both categories, Yale is both 72 percent white and 41 percent non-white. Fun with statistics!
University-wide Enrollments by Ethnicity (% of non-international enrollment)*
Ethnicity %
American Indian or Alaska Native 2%
Asian 20%
Black or African-American 9%
Hispanic of any race 9%
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander <1%
White and Other 72%
Race/ethnicity unknown 3%
*Students self-reporting two or more races are counted once in each race/ethnicity category.
And speaking of holiday displays and greetings like Halloween costumes, the supposed obsession with PC isn’t limited to one side of the political spectrum.
“War on Christmas” from the use of “Happy Holidays” instead of Merry Christmas anyone?
much like the notion held by some right-wingers on a military-related forum that the wearing of real surplus US military uniforms with ranks/unit patches/medals one never or haven’t earned from one’s own service is “disrespectful” to those who earned the right to wear them through sacrifices to being in the service.
A few even cited the first version of the “Stolen Valor Act” which technically would have banned the wearing of some of those items before the Supreme Court struck that version down for being too broad and thus, infringing on the first amendment rights of those who want to wear those items even if they never earned them. Those very folks regard that Supreme Court ruling as a “Liberal plot” to undermine and heap disrespect on the US military, veterans, and the American way of life.
Exactly, classicalmama! as I mentioned, it totals almost 116%!! And that list doesn’t reference the “aliens” that the CDS notes: 10%
As for YLS, how many natives applied? And of all applicants to YLS, how many are admitted? Ah… fun with statistics again!
Privilege takes many forms and sometimes they’re overlapping. In the 1990’s, when I worked as a graduate coordinator at one of Yale’s peers one of my jobs was to approve and process emergency advances to graduate students on their TA salaries.
In the same afternoon I had requests from two students, a Hispanic student and a White student. The Hispanic student, a first year PhD candidate on a full NIH-backed minority fellowship, was asking for money to pay off her parking tickets because she was living on Beacon Hill, a tony part of Boston where there were three parking permits for every parking spot. She had a BMW and was the daughter of a doctor and lawyer. The other student was from Appalachia, and according to her recommendations had gone through college living in a cabin with no indoor plumbing. In the 5 years I was in the department she asked for an advance just this once. I can’t remember exactly what it was for, but I do remember it was for something essential like a trip home for a funeral or to pay emergency medical expenses.
The first student had the privilege of growing up in an affluent, well-educated household, but the impediment of being in a racially disadvantaged group. The second was from a racially privileged group but had been raised without any of the advantages accorded by money or education.
When I failed to approve the first request the student appealed higher up the food chain, so the situation became known in the department and it engendered an interesting conversation about race, socio-economics and privilege similar to the conversation we’re having here.
BTW, panpacific- you were right. Stats reflect that Yale is not almost 3/4 caucasian. Hopefully the poster that demanded an apology will provide one to you.
Not sure whether their FA policies are comparable. I guess they are. (I heard by doing so, more of their graduates may go work for the public service sector.)
So Yale Law School has a 9% admissions rate https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics/entering-class-profile If “a few” applicants were native Hawaiian Islanders, we have no way of knowing (a) how many, (b) if they were qualified and (c) if their admissions rate (while yes you are claiming 0%) is statistically disparate from the overall admissions rate. If, say 5 applied and even if several were competitive/qualified candidates, the admission rate of 0 in 5 is not statistically different than 1 in 11 as reflective of the overall admission rate.
And after Stanford found itself in the position of having to reveal admissions data under FERPA in early 2015, its likely there was a lot of file shredding going on at many schools.
I’m readily aware that Yale being arguably the premier in law school in the world, that it follows, it has a very minuscule acceptance rate. That said, to not have a single admission of any natives students (whether it be NA, AN or NH) in 15 years, points to an institutional neglect to these communities.
Well, if the school has shredded those documents, then it’s hard to make an objective review. I did see some of the qualifications of some of the highligted applicants mentioned in the aforementioned letter, bring denied application: several Y grads, and another a Stanford grad, graduating near the top of his bschool class at Wharton.
So, I take it you find nothing alarming about not a single native admission since the last 1990s…no need to answer I think I know your answer.
I am a “show me the data” person. We have no way of knowing if candidates were qualified. And even for those who were, with a 9% admissions rate, chances of acceptance for even the strongest candidates are slim. There may be an issue there… or there may not. Need to be open to both possibilities. Not sure which records were shredded and which were not, but merely saying that there has been an absence of NA admits in the past however many years is not proof in an of itself of discrimination. But since you are apparently claiming to be clairvoyant and can assume others’ thoughts and beliefs, go ahead and ask and answer your own posts… But don’t forget to apologize to panpacific first
