My son is going to apply to those universities. Generally which of them is easier for engineering admission. Any one with previous experience, please comment.
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LOL, Cornell is “easier”, but it’s like asking which hurts the least, getting stabbed, getting shot or getting burned alive.
FWIW, DS was admitted to Cornell but not Princeton. Didn’t apply to Yale because he didn’t think they had as good an engineering school as some of the larger state schools.
Why would anyone with an engineering focus choose Yale? Great school, but not for engineering.
Easier, or slightly less difficult.
From one sample, Yale is easier than Cornell or Princeton for a male science/engineering applicant. I knew a kid who got an early write from Yale, waitlisted from Cornell and deferred then rejected from Pricenton.
I would say Cornell is the easiest among the three.
Now- which school has the better engineering program(s)? Princeton. Without a doubt.
According to our bible, USNews, Cornell #13, Princeton #18, Yale #35.
I don’t think “better” is even meaningful at this high level. Will it be a challenge to get into these schools? Yes. Will you work your tail off when you get there? Yes. Will you get a good engineering education? Yes. Will you get a good job when you graduate? Yes. Does it matter which school you went to? Not so much, except perhaps in some specialties where one of these schools is particularly outstanding.
Another nice thing about all three is that although they are engineering schools, they are located within universities where the majority of students are majoring in subjects other than engineering. You get to meet a very interesting variety of people. And you have lots of non-tech options if you decide to change your major.
OP wants to know which is easier to get in. I’ll repeat myself, Yale. They are looking for male students and trying to boost their engineering program.
Since you’ve repeated yourself, we’ll consider the issue settled.
Cornell is the best program.
Silly question with no right answer. The only thing I can come up with is along the lines of an old saying… if you have to ask, you can’t get in.
In the case of engineering, Princeton and Cornell will be considered within the first tier of topflight engineering schools among likes of GTech, UMich, etc whereas Yale would be considered in a lower tier.
Among engineer relatives and former supervisors in the position to hire entry-level engineers, the graduates from the former two would definitely have a leg up compared with Yale if all things are equal.
Yale’s engineering program is considered far weaker and fulfills the long-standing stereotype among engineers…especially older ones of Ivies not emphasizing enough institutional support for their engineering programs.
I wonder why so many Yale graduates end to top 10 engineer graduate programs and why Yale graduates from its undergraduate engineering also manage to join nice positions with an excellent starting salary. Weak program means nothing for their evaluation if from Yale then?
The “nice positions with excellent starting salary” are still attainable, but moreso in non hardcore engineering/tech areas like business organizational consulting where the overall academic reputation/pedigree of the university as a whole counts rather than one’s engineering/technical chops.
Also, most engineering majors IME prefer to attain an engineering/tech job right out of college and after working a few years(and hopefully passing the first part of the 2 part Practicing Engineer exam*), Many engineering grads IME tend to view students who go into grad school right away as either those who couldn’t find an engineering job, are interested more in academic research, or are trying to postpone entering the working world.
Incidentally, a few relatives who did end up with engineering PhDs and entered academia/professional research worked for a few years in the engineering field before going onto grad school in some respectable programs…including a top 10 one. All of them tend to be skeptical of going straight onto grad school without having any post-college full-time industry experience.
Another aspect of the hardcore engineering/tech firm culture is how being placed into sales and marketing despite the often high salaries is often viewed as a sign of “failure” because those departments are often considered dumping grounds for engineering/STEM grads who don’t cut the mustard with tech supervisors regarding their engineering/tech chops within the first few months/years. A common joke among engineers…especially those of my uncle’s generation is those departments tend to be heavily populated by Ivy engineering grads with the exception of those from Princeton, Cornell, and to some extent Columbia SEAS.
- First part of exam is taken right after or not too long after graduation. Second part is taken after several years of working in an engineering related field. Both parts must be passed for one to be considered a licensed Practicing Engineer(PE) and append the title after his/her name. Most engineering majors from what I've heard from relatives and friends in the engineering field have said most engineering majors fail to pass both parts or don't bother to even take one or both parts of the exam due to failing the first part or finding it's not needed for the jobs/career paths they are on. This is one key factor in why those with PE licenses can write their own meal ticket...including an uncle who still gets inundated with engineering consulting requests despite having officially retired after working in the field for nearly 6 decades.
Cobrat, I don’t understand how your comments apply to the quality of the program at Yale.