<p>I've been researching a fair bit on most of the top schools, including the Ivy-Plus (Ivies + Stanford, U of C, MIT). Though I like Stanford's world-class econ and psych program, I was really frustrated and put off because of their less-than-generous aid for int'ls (the admission rate for last year's fin-aid-seeking int'ls was 3%. 35 ppl out of 1000+ appicants). I've been looking at Yale, and I find it to be the most appealing top school in terms of tolerance and diversity of its int'l student body.</p>
<p>I think Yale was the first to say that its financial aid policies would apply to international students as well as to domestic students. I remember, when I read that announcement, thinking that Yale would pick up some very outstanding international students that way. I think it has done that in the last several enrolled classes.</p>
<p>no they arent...dartmouth for instance, had a very small amount of its money allocated for international students..the most generous ones are HYP, with Y reigning the top...because I know that students can negotiate their finaid plans with Y</p>
<p>i know that yales one of the few schools that are need-blind to all students, including international. im international too and i definitely need financial help, so im seeing to try out for yale, but even with the need-blind policy it'll probably be harder to get in. most schools ive checked out their admission rate for international students drops up to half from the original percentage, especially the more competitive ones.
does anyone have any stats for international admission to yale?</p>
<p>Yes, I would say your assumptions are true. Also, you need to factor in the living arrangements. Yale's are unique because of the residential college system, which is the only true 4-year college system in the U.S. and allows for a much greater degree of diversity and interaction than you find at any other university. The colleges randomly break down the student body into 12 much smaller groups, each supported by deans, faculty, advisors, fellowship staff, college seminars, tutors, physical facilities (libraries, gyms, common areas, dining halls) and many other resources. The fact that each college class is only about 100 students means that people of different backgrounds constantly interact with one another. You simply don't find this at any other university in America. (The fact that Yale has the smallest average class sizes also helps matters).</p>
<p>yes...need blind can both help you and condemn you..
if you need money like crazy, Yale is a plus because they won't take into account your need for money, but having that money does not get you into the race...</p>
<p>NEVERTHELESS, there is one aspect where money could help...Yale bears into account the socioeconomic background of each applicant, so if you have really done so many things and disregarded your poor economic capacity, that's a plus...however, if you have the money but did not utilize it accordingly (that is, students who are more well-off have no excuse of not doing anything, for instance, during the summer), then you're screwed..</p>
<p>there are 6 schools in US that are need-blind to international students (as far as I know...and have researched): Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Williams, Middlebury, and MIT (although they have a quota for international students in the first place, so not exactly the same chance as admittance as US citizens/permanent residents).</p>
<p>while i love yale (class of 2012 :D), i do think that it may be unfair to just say that Yale gives the best finan-aid for the international students. you probably should consider all of the HYP..since Harvard tends to give a little bit more money than Yale most of the times =/...and i've also read somewhere that Stanford is thinking about changing their policy to become need-blind int'l in the near future..so if you are not applying this year...you might have hope ^^.</p>
<p>i was really frustrated about this until 12/14, so i understand what you are going through...good luck!</p>
<p>Yes! Another affordable ivy door opened to me! (though I may not get in that door -_-)</p>
<p>Anyways, does anyone know if the admission rate for international students at Yale is lower/higher/equal to that of domestic applicants?
Also, (this is explicitly to current Yalies) how is the int'l student body at Yale? Uber competitive? Friendly? Mostly rich kids? Are students divided into specific racial niches?</p>
<p>Btw, kowloon, stanford is widely expected to change its fin aid offerings soon as a result of Harvard, Yale, and Dartmouth's new intiatives, so I wouldnt give up on Stanford just yet, especally if its your first choice. I read somewhere that they're going to announce new aid policies on the 15th feb. </p>
<p>o yea and the rate for intl admission is lower, and significantly so.</p>
<p>I guess that in general int'l admission is lower, since many int'ls may not be fluent in English as domestic applicants are. I mean, I know a couple of friends who score perfect on Toefl, and 2200+ on the SAT, and can barely speak English.
Is the int'l admission rate lower because of the weakness of the applicant pool, or the unwillingness of the admission committee to admit int'ls?</p>
<p>that is a HUGE fallacy! i'm an international, and it's insulting to be degrading international applicants like that! (taking it a bit personally!!)</p>
<p>several international students - and especially those who get into Yale and other colleges - are far more fluent than any americans there...sure, the accent may be off, but that is not a sign of fluency...and it is impossible to score high in SAT and Toefl and "barely speak English"...if their accent is what troubles you, then you're wrong..and it is not a criterion for fluency...but also, several internationals - myself included - internalize the accent after a few years in the US. I managed to do that through "Friends" episodes..</p>
<p>the reason why the admissions rates are down is that international students require in average a greater deal of financial aid than US applicants, since the standards of living are different...</p>
<p>for instance, in China the SAT in some regions is not available, so the students have to take the GRE..they get perfect scores, but still dont get in - the reason? their families are destitute and they all require practically full finaid packages...so the colleges admit only a handful of these..</p>
<p>^I was just saying that there are many international applicants (like many of my friends in Korea) who get stellar test scores, while having a very hard time fluently speaking. I think debate_addict and parlarosa should calm down. I'm wasn't even making a generalization. I was merely stating a point that, according to my observation, is valid to a certain extent.</p>
<p>Oh, and debate_addict, Yale is need-blind for int'ls, so finaid shouldn't even be considered a factor for low admission rates at Yale. For most other schools, yes, finaid is a huge downside for int'ls, but at HYP, it isn't</p>