<p>Yale's yield was 72% last year compared to Princeton's 67%. That's not "much higher."</p>
<p>Yale's pool of cross-admits with Princeton is relatively small.</p>
<p>Yale's acceptance rate this year was 8.8%, right? Princeton's hasn't been posted yet, but early numbers seemed to put it at 10.2%. I'm missing the part where the "big difference" comes in.</p>
<p>If you look back to the most recent US news, which is for the class of 2008, Yale's acceptance rate was 10 %. Are you telling me that Yale's current sophomores are significantly dumber than this year's crop, as demonstrated by the whopping increase in the school's selectivity?</p>
<p>I'd go to Yale but thats coz I'm attracted to Yale Law. But Princeton is now the BEST for undergrad. My friend ditched both Harvard and Yale for Princeton last year. But overall if you are into sciences or math as well as humanities go to Princeton coz it's more well rounded.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Actually New Haven is more desirable than New York
[/quote]
</p>
<p>Good one lololololol</p>
<p>Zepher has overstated Yale's yield rate for 2009, and understated Princeton's. Why he has done this, I have no clue. Presumably he has some residual emotional attachment to Yale.</p>
<p>PosterX- I'm sure New Haven is famed for its "desirability". We shouldn't be telling the OP whats good for him and that we somehow know better. Most of us are rightly so in suggesting that he visit the 2 places and make his own judgements based on what he's looking for in a college experience. Just because you're so defensive and insecure doesn't mean the OP is in the same boat.</p>
<p>If "multi-million dorra condos" and "hundreds of extremely expensive restraunts" are not exaggerated and are as good as they sound and they're what you're after in a college experience- then Yale would be for you.</p>
<p>For everything else- there's mastercard ... no seriously- Taste the food, live the lifestyle, talk to your future peers and teachers, sing a capella and take a stroll around collegetown. You might even fall in love with one set of architecture or the people in the dorms or the brilliant prof teaching religion. Keep and open mind and enjoy your trips and remember- wherever you go in the end- you won't be losing out.</p>
<p>Good luck hunting :) and I might just see you this fall at Princeton :)</p>
<p>Contrasting Yale's 72% yield as against Princeton's 67% as evidence of Yale's desirability is silly. Keep in mind that those in that extra 5% knew just as little about Yale as does the OP and others here. They hadn't attended the school, of course; they were guessing. Guessing, I think, based on Yale's slightly more electric brand name buzz. </p>
<p>If yield--and maximum electric buzz--were determinative barometers, then Harvard, at 79%, would always be the preference. Yet Harvard students, kids who've been at the school for months/years, are highly dissatisified. Read the article below.</p>
<p>Remember, a SUBJECTIVE choice is being made. What's right for your buddy may be dead wrong for you--and vice versa.</p>
<p>The OP, IMO, needs to do a very careful, hands-on study of both schools. If he spends enough time doing due diligence, he'll get to the point where he'll have confidence that the decision he's made is right for him. He'll get to the point where he can see clearly the difference between the sizzle and the steak.</p>
<p>It's like anything else: Who knows marathons better, the guy who reads the Sports page or the guy who runs them? Who knows what really goes on in court, the law professor or the trial lawyer?</p>
<p>Do now what hopefully you'll always do when faced with tough decisions. Don't rely on other people's perceptions; master the material, as it were, and form your own.</p>
<p>"Student life at Harvard lags peer schools, poll finds"</p>
<p>By Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Staff | March 29, 2005</p>
<p>Student satisfaction at Harvard College ranks near the bottom of a group of 31 elite private colleges, according to an analysis of survey results that finds that Harvard students are disenchanted with the faculty and social life on campus.</p>
<p>An internal Harvard memo, obtained by the Globe, provides numerical data that appear to substantiate some long-held stereotypes of Harvard: that undergraduate students often feel neglected by professors, and that they don't have as much fun as peers on many other campuses.</p>
<p>The group of 31 colleges, known as the Consortium on Financing Higher Education, or COFHE, includes all eight Ivy League schools, other top research universities like the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Stanford, and small colleges like Amherst and Wellesley.</p>
<p>''Harvard students are less satisfied with their undergraduate educations than the students at almost all of the other COFHE schools," according to the memo, dated Oct. 2004 and marked ''confidential." ''Harvard student satisfaction compares even less favorably to satisfaction at our closest peer institutions."</p>
<p>The 21-page memo, from staff researchers at Harvard to academic deans, documents student dissatisfaction with faculty availability, quality of instruction, quality of advising, and student life factors such as sense of community and social life on campus.</p>
<p>The raw data used in the memo come from surveys of graduating seniors in 2002, but are the most recent comparison available and are still consulted by Harvard administrators. On a five-point scale, Harvard students' overall satisfaction comes out to 3.95, compared to an average of 4.16 for the other 30 COFHE schools. Although the difference appears small, Harvard officials say they take the ''satisfaction gap" very seriously.</p>
<p>Only four schools scored lower than Harvard, but the schools were not named. (COFHE data are supposed to be confidential.) The memo also notes that Harvard's ''satisfaction gap" has existed since at least 1994.</p>
<p>''I think we have to concede that we are letting our students down," said Lawrence Buell, an English professor and former dean of undergraduate education. ''Our standard is that Harvard shoots to be the very best. If it shoots to be the very best in terms of research productivity and the stature of its faculty, why should it not shoot to be the very best in terms of the quality of the education that it delivers?"</p>
<p>Harvard officials refused to comment on the survey, but noted that they are already working to address the issues underscored by the data. They also said their internal numbers have improved since 2002. President Lawrence H. Summers has also spoken repeatedly about the need for students to have more opportunity to get to know their professors.</p>
<p>In a report released last April as part of an ongoing review of Harvard's curriculum, the need for more interaction between students and faculty was mentioned repeatedly.</p>
<p>''Harvard College should be known not only as an institution in which students can sit in lecture halls to learn from faculty who make original contributions to knowledge, but also as a place where they may encounter, and challenge, these scholars directly in seminar and small class settings," the report said.</p>
<p>But right now, students can go through four years on campus with limited contact with professors. They often take large lecture classes, divided into sections headed by graduate student ''teaching fellows." Small classes are frequently taught by temporary instructors instead of regular, tenure-track professors. And in many cases, advisers are not professors, either, but graduate students, administrators, or full-time advisers.</p>
<p>''I've definitely had great professors, but most of the time you have to chase them down and show initiative if you want to get to know them," said Kathy Lee, a junior majoring in psychology. ''I've had a lot of trouble getting to know enough faculty to get the recommendations I need for medical school."</p>
<p>On the five-point scale, Harvard students gave an average score of 2.92 on faculty availability, compared to an average 3.39 for the other COFHE schools. Harvard students gave a 3.16 for quality of instruction, compared to a 3.31 for the other schools, and a 2.54 for quality of advising in their major, compared to 2.86 for the other schools.</p>
<p>Students gave Harvard a 2.62 for social life on campus, compared to a 2.89 for the other schools, and a 2.53 for sense of community, compared to 2.8.</p>
<p>Harvard Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences William C. Kirby recently said that Harvard's ratio of students to tenured and tenure-track faculty is 11-to-1, compared to an 8-1 ratio at Princeton University. Harvard has already boosted the number of faculty by 10 percent in the last five years, from 610 to 672 professors, in part to improve the student-faculty ratio. Kirby's plan now is to expand the faculty to 750 by 2010, and possibly to 800 after that.</p>
<p>In the meantime, Harvard is trying to offer more intimate classroom settings. For example, four years ago it offered only about 30 small seminar classes for freshmen. This year there are 115, most taught by senior faculty, according to Dean of the College Benedict H. Gross.</p>
<p>Students' experiences also vary widely from department to department. Some of the most popular -- and thus overburdened -- majors, such as economics or government, have fairly low ratings on internal student surveys, while small majors like classics and philosophy get better ratings.</p>
<p>On the social front, students complain that Harvard lacks places where students can socialize and has so many rules that it is difficult to hold a party on-campus, where almost all undergraduates live.</p>
<p>The Harvard administration has also been working hard in the last few years to improve social life. The school has been experimenting with popular ''pub nights" on some Fridays, and has allowed campus parties to stay open an hour later, until 2 a.m. They have tried other novelty programs from dodge ball tournaments to speed dating, and doubled the amount of athletic equipment in the main gym used by undergraduates.</p>
<p>Many students are pessimistic that the curriculum review is going to change what some call ''a culture of mutual avoidance," where students and faculty often don't make an effort to meet. Professors and students alike also say there's a hurried and stressful atmosphere on campus that can get in the way of building mentor relationships. After all, Harvard has been trying to improve teaching and advising for years, long before the current administration.</p>
<p>Matt Glazer, president of the student government, said it's hard to have much confidence in the administration's commitment to fixing the problems.</p>
<p>''When the system that has dismal advising is giving recommendations on how to make advising better, the question is why aren't they doing that right now?" Glazer said.</p>
<p>Marcella Bombardieri can be reached at <a href="mailto:bombardieri@globe.com">bombardieri@globe.com</a>.</p>
<p>The YDN says 72%, Byerly. </p>
<p>in 2005-2006 Harvard Law School has presently enrolled 232 Harvard undergrads, 126 undergrads from Yale, 65 from Princeton, 51 from Brown, 44 from Columbia</p>
<p>You have to consider the school size and % ED vs % EA (admitted, matriculated and applied) when considering yield. All things considered, Yale and Harvard have roughly equal yield rates/desirability rankings, while Princeton is far behind.</p>
<p>Also, law school enrollments need to be adjusted by the % of students who apply and the relative size of each school. When considering these factors, Yale does better than any other school in the country except Swarthmore College.</p>
<p>for god's sake, please tone down the hyperbole if you aren't going to cite sources. How is Princeton so far behind in your mind (by what 5% points) if Yale and Harvard are about equal (they have the same policies and Harvard beats yale by 5% points)?</p>
<p>Look at Hoxby's Revealed Preference study, for example.</p>
<p>no choose Princeton. Yale is surrounded by the city, located in new haven, whereas Princeton is just a regualr suburban town. it is a great college, and you should choose Prnceton. It gives a huge amount go financial aid</p>
<p>That's not really true unless you provide data.</p>
<p>Even in the heavily biased and distorted WSJ rankings, Yale is second. And that includes two Yale professional schools.</p>
<p>YALE matriculated 1,321 of 1,880 admits, for a yield rate of 70.26%</p>
<p>PRINCETON matriculated 1,229 of 1,807 admits, for a yield rate of 68.01%</p>
<p>By way of comparison ....</p>
<p>HARVARD matriculated 1,640 of 2,102 admits, for a yield rate of 78.02%</p>
<p>As I said before, those yield rates do not consider the early admissions versus regular admissions splits, and therefore are simply not comparable.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Even in the heavily biased and distorted WSJ rankings, Yale is second. And that includes two Yale professional schools.
[/quote]
And who's first?</p>
<p>Thats amazing poster- why don't you just randomly throw in another another stat to confuse the issue. I'm sure USnews is heavily "distorted" for this example and that if you were comparing Yale to say ... Penn? you'd probably refer to USnews as the "benchmark or higher education" to boost your case.</p>
<p>Tell me something - did any of you two get accepted anywhere else and did you make your choices based on the revealed preferences of others and comparative yield rates from a century ago? If statistics were personal and takes into account each persons own preferences- then it'd might actually mean something but as it stands- its only a statistic and one shouldn't make a choice based on that. Where is the personality, the aspiration, the spirit, and fun, and the life?</p>
<p>Maybe you trolls are afraid op might choose princeton once he visits and sees the capella groups, the campus and the life. OMG a minus 1% on yale's yield OMG OMG the world's gonna end. Maybe you should think from the OP's perspective and help him make a choice rather than mislead him with numbers. Maybe I should start bringing up crime rates of new haven and how new haven's one of the most dangerous cities in the states but then- but then, I ain't that low.</p>
<p>To the OP- Its your choice where you go and what you end up doing. Choose and do what you want and if thats Yale or Princeton you'd be successful. Have you visited both places? You really should because you really never know you where you'd fit in the best until you get there. You don't want to go somewhere and then realise that the other would've been a much better fit. </p>
<p>Good Luck</p>