<p>whoever thinks that new haven is 'ghetto' doesn't understand what a true ghetto is. At worst, some areas are unsafe for a solitary 19-year old female at night. That doesn't mean it's a ghetto.</p>
<p>That being said, Yale > Stanford. Stanford wins in weather, but Yale has a unique feel to it. If you've visited, you'll know what I mean.</p>
<p>Those stats from "poster X" are not only outdated, but misleading in the extreme. </p>
<p>New Haven is the 2nd poorest city in Connecticut, with more blacks and hispanics than whites, and lumping its numbers in with those from gated communities in the white, wealthy, basically segregated exurban ring into some artificial "metro area" presents a totally false picture.</p>
<p>"New Haven is the 2nd poorest city in Connecticut, with more blacks and hispanics than whites, and lumping its numbers in with those from gated communities in the white, wealthy, basically segregated exurban ring into some artificial "metro area" presents a totally false picture"</p>
<p>so you're proving that new haven is poor because blacks and hispanics outnumber whites. Sort of racist don't you think? You could probably just cite some sort of census bureau fact sheet (which I am not sure will back your statement, since you don't delineate exactly what size cities you are talking about). But instead, you chose an utterly perverse racially tinged statement. </p>
<p>interesting.</p>
<p>whatever the stats say is irrelevant. the fact of the matter is, greater new haven is not a town that most yalies would feel comfortable taking walking tours of late at night. whether this fits your definition of "ghetto" is up to you. on the other hand, it is certainly fine to be out and about in palo alto/stanford alone at night. that being said, the area around yale is generally quite safe. you just have to be sensible.</p>
<p>Its not "racist" but just a fact, that despite all Yale's efforts, "white flight" and "middle class flight" continues to plague New Haven.</p>
<p>Palo Alto has a median household income over $90k.</p>
<p>Higher than New Haven, no?</p>
<p>No matter what Byerly thinks, New Haven is now the best college town in the country (well, after Austin and maybe Boulder). Too bad for his beloved Harvard, which, mostly as a result of this, has sunk below Yale in admissions rate for the 2nd time in the past 3 years.</p>
<p>Beyond the city? How about in the engineering or biology department. Then someone tell me about the food? How hard is the Yale winter? Stanford kid's idea of fun? Yale kids idea of fun? Yale GER?</p>
<p>Also, the central part of New Haven has no racial majority (whites are the largest group, but they are not a majority of residents), but that's also true of New York City, which, like New Haven, is considered a very diverse, vibrant and exciting place to live (and has a profusion of clubs, 24 hour diners, and million-dollar condos to match). Minorities are more likely to own restaurants than whites, which is one reason why New Haven has hundreds of restaurants, on every corner throughout downtown, and easily the best dining scene in New England.</p>
<p>I'm sorry Byerly is disappointed that New Haven is not the same as Hanover, New Hampshire or some other boring, 100% white village.</p>
<p>I chose Yale over Stanford last year.
Here are a few reasons why I made that choice:
1. Yale has a 300 year tradition (not really relevant to everyone)
2. Yale requires most of its professors to teach undergraduates (for my freshman year I've had 8 full professors teach one being the ex-Dean of the law school, another being the speech writer for Henry Kissinger)
3.Yale students don't focus on wealth. Everyone knows that most people around are wealthy and its really a non-issue. The first thing I heard at Stanford was a group of girls talking about which lexus they owned (could be an irrational bias).
4. Yale has strong ties in economics and investment banking. You can go talk to David Swensen, our chief investor who has made us billions. You can find a lot of alumni at firms who will give you an easy interview which makes the competition easier (sad fact of life, but it's not all a meritocracy)
5.No one cares what you got on the SAT here. Don't expect anyone to ask you.</p>
<p>Some reasons why I would still choose Yale over Stanford:
1. Closer proximity to powerful people - many of our powerful alumni in NYC and DC make regular visits and hold forums with the student body. Its a lot harder for important people from the east to make the 6 hour flight to Stanford just to give a talk.
2. Liberal drinking regulations - a lot of prefrosh deny that they will drink in college. For most of you, this is false. If you want to go to a school where you'll get in trouble for drinking, Stanford is a safer bet. If you want to go to a school that cares more about your health and will not give you any trouble for ending up in the hospital, Yale is the right place. If you want to drink behind closed doors and fear campus security go to Stanford.
3.New Haven - if you like to eat at amazing restaurants, this is the place. We have so many restaurants that you will never be able to eat at all of them (I think there are around 70 within 2-4 miles of campus.)
Its a two block walk to the movies. Service projects are easily found.
4. Humanities - Yale has an amazing humanities program. Directed Studies is a good opportunity for freshman. It may be the best experience you never want to do again because of a heavy courseload, but it is highly rewarding. I'm in it.
5. Math - we have brilliant math professors. One of our professors, Mandelbrot, is credited with doing the brunt of the work behind Fractal theory.
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<p>Well since I left 6 blank, maybe you should go to Stanford.....we're incompetent here.</p>
<p>Some thoughts on Danishkid's reasoning. </p>
<p>"Yale requires most of its professors to teach undergraduates"
Every professor at Stanford teaches undergraduates. </p>
<p>"Yale has strong ties in economics and investment banking."
Stanford's econ department is higher-ranked than Yale. And we have Silicon Valley. </p>
<p>"If you want to go to a school where you'll get in trouble for drinking, Stanford is a safer bet."
That's hardly true. Stanford encourages drinking on campus rather than off-campus. </p>
<p>"Directed Studies is a good opportunity for freshman."
Stanford has SLE.</p>
<p>"1. Yale has a 300 year tradition (not really relevant to everyone)"</p>
<p>This is a central issue. Yale is very proud of its past. Stanford, on the other hand, stated at its founding;</p>
<p>Our University has no history to fall back upon. No memories of great teachers haunt its corridors... No tender associations cling ivy-like to its fresh new walls. It is hallowed by no traditions; it is hampered by none...</p>
<p>I think it is this spirit that has allowed it to be a center of innovation, spawning google, yahoo, and SUN Microsystems to name a few.</p>
<p>SLE is hardly Directed Studies. SLE requires students to live together on campus, causing some seclusion. Also, it incorporates the Eastern Tradition and expects that it will be a manageable task to cover both Western and Eastern Canons in one year.</p>
<p>"The Eastern Tradition" consists of one week on India and one week on Buddhism. </p>
<p>You clearly don't know what you're talking about.</p>
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<p>posterX,</p>
<p>Do us a favor and stop posting wrong info. Isn't that a bit immature of you playing such game here? MIT's med placement rate is only something like 77% (due to grade deflation). It's behind Harvard, Princeton, WashU and Duke as far as I know and probably quite a few (if not many) others.</p>
<p>The "med placement rate" is completely irrelevant among the top schools, because it does not consider the number of schools students apply to or the way the schools advise students who are trying to apply. Some schools advise students to take a year off, which statistically speaking, transfers them out of that pool. At top schools like MIT or the Ivies, students may apply to medical school but only be willing to settle for the very top programs, which also shifts the "med placement" rate.</p>
<p>Ok guys...everyone in my family went to Stanford pre-med (but me). They all got into every med school in the country (and stayed at Stanford).<br>
The question is: why pre-med? If medicine is your passion...go for it..the hours and salary are just not great and never will be. But, hey, we need smart docs, so I don't want to talk you out of it.
If you do well at Stanford or Yale, you will get into med school. It doesn't matter. You are splitting hairs....just go to the school where you think you'll be happiest...you'll do better in a happy place. I went to Yale, but Stanford is great too...it just doesn't matter!</p>
<p>Is it very hard to double major at Yale and one of my majors would be History?</p>
<p>One very biased opinion - Please pick Stanford. Open up a space for someone wait-listed at Yale.</p>