Yes, I support meritocratic college admissions. No, I am not a racist.

<p>Milancad, it basically works that way with all ethnic groups. A huge portion of admitted whites fall in to one or more of these categories: Jewish, wealthy, 1st or 2nd generation eastern European immigrant. It would be interesting to look at the HYP acceptance rate for white catholic middle class kids who are 5th or 6th generation Americans. It could be 3% and I wouldn’t be surprised.</p>

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<p>you think you can get through life ignoring things you don’t know? It’s not a made up phrase. It’s a very real logical fallacy. Look it up before you open your mouth/type. Here, again: Reductio ad Hitlerum. Look it up, be enlighted, and learn that arguing with me, especially with your capabilities and intelligence, puts you at a significant disadvantage, more so than many other people I’ve gotten to argue against. LogicWarrior, more like IgnorantQQer.</p>

<p>140 odd years ago slavery ended. 60 odd years ago japanese americans were put in internment because we were at war with japan. Much more recent dramatic government racism, not to mention significant social discrimination at the time. And yet, instead of falling into URM status like all groups who face discrimination are supposed to, the Japanese excelled so much that by the time affirmative action appeared, they had no chance whatsoever of benefiting from it. I’m to believe that an ethnic group who has faced arguably worse discrimination should be punished for completely overturning negative stereotypes because certain other groups haven’t been able to do so? All in the name of fairness and “affirmative action?”</p>

<p>Still, what it comes down to is that private schools can do whatever the hell they want. It enhances their reputation to attempt to represt the URMs, and therefore it helps their bottom line.</p>

<p>no one likes social darwinism</p>

<p>no one likes theReach</p>

<p>coincedence? hmmm…</p>

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<p>Considering the history of slavery, most black people in America have some recent Caucasian ancestry. I say recent, because, y’know, of pedigree collapse and things like that, inf you go back far enough, everyone has every sort of ancestry.
<a href=“http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/ParraAJHG1998.pdf[/url]”>http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/ParraAJHG1998.pdf&lt;/a&gt;. goes over the racial admixture proportions of blacks in the US compared to those in areas like Africa and Jamaica where they are less likely to have white ancestry. It’s sort of complex, and I don’t get all of it, but it basically confirms what I said.</p>

<p>In simpler terms, but with a citation:</p>

<h1>58 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one great-grandparent);</h1>

<h1>19.6 percent of African Americans have at least 25 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one grandparent);</h1>

<h1>1 percent of African Americans have at least 50 percent European ancestry (equivalent of one parent); and</h1>

<h1>5 percent of African Americans have at least 12.5 percent Native American ancestry (equivalent to one great-grandparent).</h1>

<p>From Henry Louis Gates, Jr., In Search of Our Roots: How 19 Extraordinary African Americans Reclaimed Their Past.</p>

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<p>The Jewish and wealthy thing is surely spot on, the Jewish thing especially according to a recent study I downloaded (I download a lot of studies…), but are you sure about the 1st and 2nd gen thing for whites? A lot of the AA-dislikers (is there an “official” term for that?) on here frequently state that Eur. immigrants suffer in admissions. [url=<a href=“http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1405.html]This”>http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1405.html]This</a> study[/url (Table 14) seems to dispute that, eg: 66% of Russian-Americans are educated at the college-level or higher, 48% of Brits, 40% of Germans, 45% of Canadians, and 32% of Poles. Hmm, sometimes I wonder.
Anyway, the problem I have isn’t with more rich people or more of certain ethnicities within a race going to college, that’s always going to happen and I don’t consider it to be unfair. The problem I have is that a system that’s supposed to uplift only “uplifting” those who are not underprivileged. It’s upsetting. I mean, doesn’t it kind of ridiculous for me, or anyone, to have URM and legacy boost at an Ivy League college?</p>

<p>I was referring to immigrants from Russia and other former soviet countries. There are a good number in the NY area, and they make Asians look lazy, lol. And it doesn’t hurt that a lot of their parents were engineers and scientists before they came to America and took “low income” jobs.</p>

<p>Part of the reason AA doesn’t work is that it uses race alone as a factor. It’s a lot easier to look to see which race is checked than it is to use clues from the overall app to try to place the student’s challenges in an accurate context. And in certain situations URM status could reasonably be a part of that context. But once again, it’s easier to blanket all URMs with a boost than it is to selectively take race in to account.</p>

<p>I’ll say it again:</p>

<p>Maybe you didn’t learn about Jim Crow laws, segregation, Civil Rights Movement, white flight, and basic racial discrimination in the workplace and society in your History class st_jimmy.</p>

<p>These things have lasting affects. I’m not sure how hard Asians had it after WWII, but you cannot make it seem that it was like, “Okay guys, slavery’s over. You are completely equal. No one will ever discriminate you. You won’t have to go back to plantations as tenant farmers because you can’t find any other work. Your struggles are over!”</p>

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<p>If we’re going to go with a historical defense of AA where the inheritors of discrimination receive benefit, you have to realize that [75.9%</a> of Asian-Americans have immigrated within the last 20 years](<a href=“http://www.ameredia.com/resources/demographics/asian_american.html]75.9%”>Ameredia: Asian American Statistics). They have not inherited that discrimination. Many of those few who did inherit the discrimination of internment received reparations, one should note. I don’t think any other group has had that in America.
And really, it’s not at all as if dramatic government discrimination against blacks ended with the Emancipation Proclamation ([African</a> American history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_history]African”>African-American history - Wikipedia), [Nadir</a> of American race relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_of_American_race_relations]Nadir”>Nadir of American race relations - Wikipedia), [Mass</a> racial violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States]Mass”>Mass racial violence in the United States - Wikipedia), <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disfranchisement_after_Reconstruction_era_(United_States)[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disfranchisement_after_Reconstruction_era_(United_States)&lt;/a&gt;, [African-American</a> Civil Rights Movement (1955?1968) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Rights_movement]African-American”>Civil rights movement - Wikipedia)). The nadir of American race relations came during the Reconstruction, not during slavery.
There’s no doubt that internment (which lasted about 2 years) was horrible, but I think it’s sort of hard to say that it’s even arguably worse than 200+ years of slavery. And if we’re going to talk about other URMs, it’s pretty much ridiculous to say it’s worse than the genocide of Native Americans.
Nonetheless, AA as it currently exists, is not stated to be about apologizing the past, but about correcting for present conditions.</p>

<p>lol all the AA disagreers have been shut down by the Iron Fist of Reason</p>

<p>I love using context relevant metaphors…gotta work some into my essay…</p>

<p>^*** are you talking about? I still haven’t seen a good argument for AA, besides people rehashing the same old “blacks can’t make it cuz white folks are so mean” BS, when other minority ethnic groups do just fine (even Hispanics do better, and a lot of them can’t even speak English). I’m not sure how much AA is helping, considering we’re almost two generations after the Civil RIghts movement, and even upper class blacks are still struggling in school and doing poorly on standardized tests.</p>

<p>AA will always be around since colleges want to look diverse, and anyone who doesn’t accept that is a whiny baby.</p>

<p>When has anyone or I’ve ever said that White people are “mean” or “to blame for all of our problems”? Yes, some Blacks need to try harder and focus on education before anything else. However, what you don’t realize is the things that have listed have affected Blacks in the present. No other race in America have gone through the amount of things Blacks have. I know you’re thinking, “That was in the past. Get over it.” but the affects of the past are creeping into the present. Like we’ve said before, bad neighborhoods, low expectations, bad influences, financial struggles, ect.</p>

<p>And do you have any proof of Hispanics doing any better? From my limited knowledge of Latino culture, many have no choice but to work in construction or as cooks in a restaraunt because of no other options. Maybe in your world most don’t, no offense to Hispanics.</p>

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One obvious group has gone through way worse. There’s a Black guy sitting in the oval office right now, but if a Native American manages to become a dentist it’s a huge deal. Anyway the point I’m trying to make is that while I support AA (LogicWarrior just summed up my belief nicely), I have a feeling we’re not gonna need it for Blacks/Hispanics soon. A Bachelor’s degree is becoming pretty common, it’s not just for rich white people anymore…sometime this century, a Bachelor’s degree will become very common, even for Blacks/Hispanics. As for native Americans, I think AA will continue for them for a while.</p>

<p>^Probably, and that’s the whole point of AA. It’s not like anyone wants to continue this program forever.</p>

<p>Even if blacks and hispanics start getting higher test scores, colleges will just admit whites and asians with lower test scores.</p>

<p>What? You lost me on that one.</p>

<p>Oh my God, I’m so sorry for forgetting about the struggles Native Americans have and do face. I feel like a complete idiot now and I’m not being sarcastic.</p>

<p>LogicWarrior, I don’t think colleges are THAT racist. JIC someone don’t remember, I believe that AA should be based on your economic status, not your race.</p>

<p>native americans killed my cousin for his bike, and he had cerebral palsy</p>

<p>They’re not racist, they just want a diverse student body.</p>

<p>LogicWarrior, stop ■■■■■■■■, you know your just spitting out BS.</p>

<p>I can think of one ethnic group that has had way more struggles, for a way longer, than blacks. That ethnic group is the Jews. From the Inquisition to the Holocaust, large batches (in the millions) of Jews have been killed in the gas chambers, torture chambers, etc. Hmmm… so whose had it worse, blacks who were enslaved for just 200 years or Jews who faced discrimination dating all the way back to Rome, and still face it today. Instead of whining like blacks, Jews reacted to the evolutionary pressures, and those people are nothing but scientists, bankers, and media moguls. It seems supporting poor blacks is just making the race weaker.</p>