Younger brother just scored 900/2400 on SAT and has 1.3 GPA... What's next?

<p>The reading will probably improve if he attends a community college because he will probably place into remedial English/reading. Of course, his high school should be helping with this but it’s hard to know how much they’ve tried and how much the parents have turned down. (For example, if he has been diagnosed with a reading disability, he could be getting books on tape.) And, if he were not to go to college, he could still get reading help; many communities have free literacy tutors and the local library can help this family connect with them. </p>

<p>There are services to help get this young man from where he is to where he needs to be but someone has to be proactive in accessing them.</p>

<p>OP should be hearing a pretty consistent message by now. I know it’s hard to imagine what it’s like to be in his shoes, but try imagining what it would be like to need glasses and have everyone insist that you can read the board without them and you’re just not trying. For the most part, he sounds like a pretty normal teen (behavior-wise)…he just wants to party. School has been a struggle for him, but he wants some of the advantages that come with post-high-school life. His success in sports is due, most likely, to a learn-by-doing way of teaching (no reading required). </p>

<p>First get your parents on board with a neuro-psych evaluation. Then get him on board. Sit him down and say something like: “It’s frustrating for us, because we think you’re actually really smart. We understand that you want to go away, but in order to make that happen we need some guarantees that you can make it a success (academically). You may have something like dyslexia (which a lot of very successful people have), but the only way to know is to get you tested. If you agree to get tested, and work with a specialized tutor once we know what the problem is, THEN you can go away to jr. college at X”. </p>

<p>In many states, there are junior/cc colleges that have dorm living and sports teams and he can experience the life that he’s seen his older siblings enjoy. People have been telling him he’s a failure his entire life. Maybe he IS acting like a big jerk, but that kind of comes with the territory with teenaged boys. The military is not the answer, unless he’s highly motivated to join.</p>

<p>Just want to repeat that the problem for the OP here is the burden of responsibility he/she feels for a sibling, in a world that depends on parental advocacy. It seems clear that due to cultural/language limitations (and some unrealistic perspectives), parents are not advocating and like many older siblings, the OP is dealing with feelings of responsibility that in most American families would seem inappropriate.</p>

<p>So I just caution you, onhcetum, that this should NOT be up to you to even think about, let alone take care of. So many posts suggest that you do this or do that. I suggest that you, yourself, see a counselor to talk about the feelings of responsibility that you have, the anger, the fear, and positive feelings you have as well for your brother.</p>

<p>What I get from this thread is that, although it may seem to be about helping your brother, YOU need some help, and I mean that in a kind way. You are dealing with a lot, with no resources.</p>

<p>I promise, if you see a counselor, the help for your brother will flow from there. So take care of yourself. I especially suggest a counselor familiar with the situation of a family where parents are not proficient in English or in negotiating the system, leaving the burden on the older or more capable child- you. It is not uncommon at all but in the situation of having a sibling with a disability of some sort, is so much harder, and you need some relief.</p>

<p>oh god, i know this story…</p>

<p>i’m in a somewhat similar situation, except with my older sister. the bit you posted about your brother always being at the back of your mind…haha, i know exactly what you mean. sometimes i wish i could just get the hell away from the problem, and i’m secretly so glad i’ll be going away to university next year but i know i won’t ever be able to distance myself from her predicament.</p>

<p>but yeah it’s not unusual to feel ashamed or embarrassed about your brother’s lack of motivation & “slowness” as you termed it. i feel that way too about my sister. i love her and i want the best for her but it’s so damn frustrating sometimes, and i feel like she doesn’t give credence to anything i say. </p>

<p>and i think know what you mean about your parents making excuses for him…mine are constantly saying, “don’t worry about her, it’s just a phase,” and such.</p>

<p>i think the most important thing you could do is get your parents to see sense - do whatever it takes to convince your parents to seek outside/professional help. i’m a first generation immigrant as well (i’m assuming you are one from your comment about your parents being unable to speak english fluently?) and, excuse my stereotyping, but immigrant families tend to value privacy very highly and be less open to accepting the existence disabilities or mental illnesses. but for my sister it was really important for her to hear from a new face that she had to get her life back on track. if it’s just you and your family repeating the same advice again and again, your brother will get desensitized to it and ignore it.</p>

<p>additionally, if he does suffer from any learning disabilities, it’s important to get them diagnosed so he can work on overcoming them. on top of that, it’s really important for your family to understand that there are many viable career options that don’t require a college degree. like your parents, my parents grew up poor and came here on their own merit, and they expected their children to overachieve the way they did. they never considered anything other than helping their children get into prestigious schools and entering lucrative professions, etc. </p>

<p>however, going to college doesn’t really seem like a good decision for your brother right now especially since he doesn’t seem academically inclined, and since he’s proven that he can’t thrive in that kind of environment. he should speak to his guidance counselor about other options.</p>

<p>and i don’t mean to sound patronizing, but please remember to take care of yourself as well! what’s done is done, so it doesn’t help to dwell on past mistakes or wonder if this situation might’ve been prevented if you’d acted earlier. it’s good that you’ve finally found an outlet to share your problems, but it’d probably be even better if you had a close friend or two you could explain the situation to. i was really anxious about sharing my family issues with any of my friends, but when i finally did explain what was going on with my sister i felt a lot more at ease about the whole situation, and my friends responded really positively & are very supportive.</p>

<p>i wish you, your brother and the rest of your family the best of luck!</p>

<p>Maybe he is an Ancient Alien and the problem he is having with Earth school is ancient Sumerian isnt read left-to-right like English. </p>

<p>Why dont you look into that possibility while you are investigating these hypothesized Learning Disabilities from hundreds of miles away.</p>

<p>He has only been unsuccessfully in school for 12 years, whats another couple years of frustration as long as there is a hanging folder somewhere with a DSM ‘diagnosis’? With his attitude to house rules, helping out, taking on responsibilities he comes off as angry and frustrated which is a great combination for a strong kid looking to fight. College will be a waste of time. In the meantime he can get some unfortunate tattoos, be a bouncer and knock up a few girls. </p>

<p>Military. Anything else you are just kicking the can down the road. Your family will be dealing with it again in a couple of years when he has a kid and a couple of scrapes with the law.</p>

<p>Argbargy - The young man is angry in part (I can’t answer for his entire situation) because he has learning differences that have not be properly addressed. His parents want to toss $$ and tutoring at him and say ‘try harder’, probably ‘why can’t you just be like your brother’. This will crush anyone’s self-esteem and in a young adult male that, along with what seems to be some other family disfunction, leads to a lot of unresolved anger. </p>

<p>I agree that until his learning differences are addressed college will be difficult at best. I disagree that slapping some combat boots on the boy and a pair of BDU’s with the most structured environment he’s ever been in is the answer. The minute he steps out of line, engages authority, he’s in another world, endangering himself and those around him. This is not just a young man with an attitude problem. He has learning disabilities at the very least and it’s not the job of the US Military to diagnose, treat, and help him come to terms with them.</p>

<p>I also agree with Compmom. The OP does need to step back and speak to someone who can help him sort out his stress of being the oldest child of immigrant parents who are relying too heavily on him for day to day details of home life, as well as his realization that they are missing the mark on helping his brother. He’s being pushed into roles that are not his. This is not a sign of weakness OP. It simply a matter of talking things through with someone who has expertise in family relationships. It’s just as easy as you reached out to us here for advise.</p>

<p>I am offend! My Ancient Aliens theory has just as much to back it up as these long distance LD diagnosis. </p>

<p>Maybe the kid just has a below average IQ. It happens ya know… like 50% of the time. Sure its not as sexy as having a DSM code but either you face up to reality or reality faces down you. It doesnt make him a bad person, or a less valuable person- but maybe it means he doesnt need to be tortured for another couple of years chasing down a phantom LD diagnosis. </p>

<p>Telling him “you’re actually really smart” is unlikely to help. Likewise the school has already probably tried boosting his self esteem and telling him they are all winners. Telling someone who has been tortured by academic for 12 years that the cure is more academics seems both short sighted and cruel to me. </p>

<p>Likewise this military-o-phobia seems short sighted. The military has a very developed system to take directionless kids and built them up and show them that they can accomplish things and feed them as much responsibility as they can take on. I think it involved more than just putting them in combat boots. And their system isnt predicated on having the brightest beans. He hasnt taken the AFQT so concluding that he cant get in is ridiculous. Especially when people are discussing CC and football which we do know arent options. </p>

<p>And as long as I am on a disagreeathon- I think it <em>is</em> up to onhcetum to take this problem on. No one else seems to be doing anything and you dont have to be an uncle to be a dutch uncle. Someone else has to tell this kid some hard truths and it looks like onh is elected. Like I said before, I grew up around a lot of guys like #2 son and I think I recognize the pattern of how things are going to go for him. Lots of dangerous short jobs like roofing and bouncing that he will get fired from. Lots of drinking and fighting, living in crappy apartments with crappy cars. </p>

<p>So I think it is up to Onhcetum to make his play now. Rather that in a couple of years where things are really messed up. I’d expect that the school is unlikely to talk to him about anything since he isnt the guardian- you have to work on the brother and the parents.</p>

<p>Argbargy, this young man <em>had</em> an IEP at one point so school officials did determine him to have some sort of disability.</p>

<p>argbargy - Maybe he simply has a low IQ, fair enough…BUT there’s no way to know what’s going on with this young man until he gets a proper evaluation. You’ll see when I first addressed my concern with the military I made a point to say that I didn’t feel that they military was never an option, just not before a complete evaluation was given. The idea of just tossing him in to shape up and adjust that lousy attitude when there may indeed be something else going on is not going to do anyone any favors. College isn’t the right route for everyone. Trade schools and apprentice programs are valuable ways for young adults to enter the workforce, learn a valuable skill, and work towards independence. My sole point has simply been, get a complete set of tests done (preferably a neuropsyc evaul). I don’t think we’re too far off on some of your opinions.</p>