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<p>YES . SEAS CC GS degrees are all different because the degree requirements are different.</p>
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I never said this. All I said was that CC degree is different from GS degrees because the graduation requirements are different. </p>
<p>Therefore the following statment is WRONG. </p>
<p>“GS students take the same courses with the same faculty, are held to the same high standards, and earn the same degree ? as all other Columbia undergraduates.”</p>
<p>pumagirl, please accept some measure of rationality. GS, SEAS and CC all have similar core requirements. They’re also all slightly different. They all have the same courses and faculty, with some small exceptions mentioned in here. CC seems to award a latin BA, not an AB. </p>
<p>Your link does not, in any way I can see, actually support your claim. </p>
<p>Different majors require different courses. A BS is not a BA. If you want to be a pedantic ass you should accept that there’s a difference in the diploma between a bio major getting a BS and an English major getting a BA. </p>
<p>At this point you’re just willfully spreading disinformation and hurting folks who may be using this forum to figure out real information in the future. Please desist, or at least post something with actual content, not just libel and innuendo.</p>
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<p>Again C1001 is different class from F1001 because, </p>
<p>1) the course number numbering system is different C1001 =/= F1001
There are about 60 sections in C1001 and none of them allows GS students.
GS students must register for the course with different prefix with different different course ID number. F1001 also has 2 sections. </p>
<p>2) Everyone in C1001 is CC/SEAS.
F1001 is open to GS and Continuing Education Students. There is reason why GS and continuing education students take clases together. Please also note that Continuing education program has open admission policy. LitHum ContCiv courses are mainly discussion classes. I am sure GS students will have nice discussion with Continuing Education students. The content of discussion in C1001 is quite different from F1001.</p>
<p>The following statement is also WRONG.
“GS students take the same courses ? with the same faculty, are held to the same high standards, and earn the same degree as all other Columbia undergraduates.”</p>
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<p>AB in English from CC and AB in Biology from CC Both get Columbia AB degree.</p>
<p>BA in English from GS is a GS degree AB in English from CC is Columbia College degree. Look at the signatures on the diplomas. They are different.</p>
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<p>[Columbia</a> College Advising | Student Affairs](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/csa/advising_cc]Columbia”>Columbia College Advising | Columbia College and Columbia Engineering)</p>
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<p>[BA</a> - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/BA]BA”>Bachelor of Arts - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>
<p>“A Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) is the standard undergraduate liberal arts bachelor’s degree. At Columbia, it is granted by the Faculty of Arts and Sciences through Columbia College and the the School of General Studies. The standard time to completion for a Bachelor of Arts in Columbia College is eight semesters, for a total of 124 credits.”</p>
<p>The AB does not exist at Columbia any more :D</p>
<p>Sorry, you lose.</p>
<p>Please direct me to the exact statement where it says Columbia College students receive different degrees from GS students in that link. Just thought you would barely scrape by with that link did you?</p>
<p>I also find it amusing that you’ve decided to completely ignore my links that showed that Columbia College awards the Bachelor or Arts degree. (The one from CC and the other with the staff profiles. I don’t see any AB there.) You ignore any source that would put you at a disadvantage.</p>
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<p>Like I’ve said before, the CC core, SEAS core, and GS are all different but still very similar. That doesn’t mean they get different of lesser degrees. Cornell has many undergraduate colleges and have very different requirements but still get the same degrees from Cornell UNIVERSITY not a college.</p>
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<p>The course you speak of is only open to General Studies students. “Open To: General Studies” As for the other courses, they are open to CC, SEAS,GS, Contin. Ed, and Barnard.</p>
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<p>It doesn’t matter. They’re the same degrees. Diploma is not synonymous with degree.</p>
<p>This is exactly the reason why we should be petitioning the forum admin for a few current/former Columbia students to moderate this forum. Non-students shouldn’t be free to go around spamming propaganda.</p>
<p>pumagirl said: "Again C1001 is different class from F1001 because, </p>
<p>1) the course number numbering system is different C1001 =/= F1001
There are about 60 sections in C1001 and none of them allows GS students.
GS students must register for the course with different prefix with different different course ID number. F1001 also has 2 sections."</p>
<p>------------------------F1001 and C1001 instructors are drawn from the same faculty pool, and use the same curriculum. Any professor that teaches these classes can confirm this.</p>
<p>pumagirl said: “2) Everyone in C1001 is CC/SEAS.
F1001 is open to GS and Continuing Education Students. There is reason why GS and continuing education students take clases together. Please also note that Continuing education program has open admission policy. LitHum ContCiv courses are mainly discussion classes. I am sure GS students will have nice discussion with Continuing Education students. The content of discussion in C1001 is quite different from F1001.”</p>
<p>-----------------------You’re wrong. GS-section classes for Lit hum, Contemp Civ, and UWriting ONLY allow GS students. SCE students are only open to take classes that are open to ALL students INCLUDING CC/SEAS/GS/and Barnard.</p>
<p>pumagirl said: “The following statement is also WRONG.
“GS students take the same courses ? with the same faculty, are held to the same high standards, and earn the same degree as all other Columbia undergraduates.””</p>
<p>-----------------------The three classes (Lit Hum, Contemp Civ, UWriting) that have separate GS and CC/SEAS sections are all taught by instructors drawn from the same faculty pool. I know this because I like to chat with my professors both during and outside of class hours. There are only a few GS-only sections for Lit Hum and Contemp Civ because most GS students prefer to take two 3000+ level literature classes in lieu of 1 year of Lit Hum. If you go look at the UWriting sections, you can see that there are tons of GS-only sections since UWriting is a core requirement that can’t be substituted, for ALL undergrads of the university. Of course, you would know this already if you had ever taken any of them. Also, that’s 9 credits out of a total of 124 needed to graduate. T</p>
<p>Preface: I’m a current student so my knowledge of this is based on personal experience. pumagirl is not a student here, is likely a rejected applicant, and is seeking to dissuade students from applying.</p>
<p>Detailed core curriculum comparison:</p>
<p>WRITING</p>
<p>CC: University Writing (CC/SEAS only sections) [Fall</a> 2011 English C1010 section 001](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/ENGL/C1010-20113-001/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/ENGL/C1010-20113-001/)
GS: University Writing (GS ONLY, and NOBODY ELSE, sections) [Fall</a> 2011 English F1010 section 001](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/ENGL/F1010-20113-001/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/ENGL/F1010-20113-001/)</p>
<p>Both taught by professors drawn from the same faculty pool, using the same curriculum. Professors can attest to this.</p>
<p>LITERATURE</p>
<p>CC: Literature Humanities (EURPN LIT-PHILOS MASTERPIECS I and II) [Fall</a> 2011 Humanities C1001 section 001](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/C1001-20113-001/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/C1001-20113-001/)
GS: Literature Humanities (EURPN LIT-PHILOS MASTERPIECS I and II) [Fall</a> 2011 Humanities F1001 section 058](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/F1001-20113-058/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/F1001-20113-058/) OR two 3000-level (upper division) literature classes.</p>
<p>Both taught by professors drawn from the same faculty pool, using the same curriculum. Professors can attest to this.</p>
<p>FOREIGN LANGUAGE</p>
<p>CC: 4th semester of a language OR exemption by university exam
GS: 4th semester of a language OR exemption by university exam</p>
<p>All language courses are organized by their specific departments, and have no separate GS or CC/SEAS sections. They are open to all students, including graduate students from any variety of Columbia graduate schools. I took Chinese with students from Columbia Law School, Columbia SIPA, GS, CC, SEAS, and a medical research graduate student from Columbia Medical School.</p>
<p>ART</p>
<p>CC: Art Humanities (MASTERPIECES OF WESTERN ART) [Fall</a> 2011 Department: Art History and Archaeology](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/sel/AHAR_Fall2011.html]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/sel/AHAR_Fall2011.html) Scroll down to it
GS: Art Humanities (MASTERPIECES OF WESTERN ART) [Fall</a> 2011 Department: Art History and Archaeology](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/sel/AHAR_Fall2011.html]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/sel/AHAR_Fall2011.html) Scroll down to it</p>
<p>There are ONLY W-sections for art humanities. All undergrads are in the same sections. </p>
<p>MUSIC</p>
<p>CC: Music Humanities (MASTERPIECES OF WESTERN MUSIC) [Fall</a> 2011 Subject: Humanities](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/_Fall2011.html]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/_Fall2011.html) Scroll down to it
GS: Music Humanities (MASTERPIECES OF WESTERN MUSIC) [Fall</a> 2011 Subject: Humanities](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/_Fall2011.html]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/_Fall2011.html) Scroll down to it</p>
<p>There are ONLY W-sections for art humanities. All undergrads are in the same sections. I took this class together with GS, SEAS, and CC students.</p>
<p>HUMANITIES/SOCIAL SCIENCE</p>
<p>CC: Contemporary Civilization (CONTEMP WESTERN CIVILIZATION I & II) [Fall</a> 2011 Contemporary Civilization C1101 section 001](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/COCI/C1101-20113-001/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/COCI/C1101-20113-001/)
GS: Contemporary Civilization (CONTEMP WESTERN CIVILIZATION I & II) [Fall</a> 2011 Contemporary Civilization F1101 section 061](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/COCI/F1101-20113-061/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/COCI/F1101-20113-061/) OR 2 courses each in Humanities and Social Science</p>
<p>Both taught by professors drawn from the same faculty pool, using the same curriculum. Professors can attest to this. I chose the exemption through 2 courses each in Humanities and Social Science.</p>
<p>QUANTITATIVE REASONING</p>
<p>CC: Quantitative Reasoning covered by Frontiers of Science
GS: Quantitative Reasoning covered by Frontiers of Science OR 600 on SAT math section OR any mathematics, statistics, economics, or computer science course.</p>
<p>These courses are all departmental (Math department, Computer Science department, Economics department, etc.) and have no separate sections. All undergrad students are in the same courses and sections. </p>
<p>PHYSICAL EDUCATION</p>
<p>CC: Swim test (2 courses)
GS: No swim test. Can take a max of 2 P.E. classes for 1 credit each for fun, but not required.</p>
<p>SCIENCE</p>
<p>CC: Frontiers of Science and 2 additional science courses
GS: 3 science courses OR Frontiers of Science and 2 additional science courses </p>
<p>[Fall</a> 2011 Science C1000 section 001](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/SCNC/C1000-20113-001/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/SCNC/C1000-20113-001/) Frontiers of Science listed as C-section but open to ALL of CC, SEAS, GS, Barnard, AND SCE (as seen next to the “Open to” line near the bottom of the page, below “Division” and above “Campus”.</p>
<p>No F sections exist for this course, as shown here [Fall</a> 2011 Subject: Science](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/SCNC/_Fall2011.html]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/SCNC/_Fall2011.html) </p>
<p>[Insert science] majors don’t need to take this.</p>
<p>CULTURAL DIVERSITY</p>
<p>CC: 2 courses from the Major Cultures approved courses list.
GS: 1 course that focuses on culture, society, literature, or language of a nation or region that, as a general principle, is located outside the United States, Canada, or Europe.</p>
<p>These courses are all organized by their specific departments, and have no separate GS or CC/SEAS sections. All undergrad students are in the same courses and sections.</p>
<p>Information drawn both from personal experience, friends, peers, and from:
[School</a> of General Studies - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“School of General Studies - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia”>School of General Studies - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>
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<p>You forgot to mention that C1001 is NOT open to GS students. F1001 is not even required for GS degree, whereas C1001 is the required Core Curriculum for CC degree. Continuing education students also take the same course with the same faculty.</p>
<p>F1001 can be taken to satisfy the 1-year literature core requirement. If anything, it is a benefit that GS students can choose to opt out of that requirement in favour of two 3000 level literature classes. I don’t know how you can possibly interpret greater flexibility and more options as a con rather than a pro.</p>
<p>F1001 is restricted to GS only as shown here.
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/COCI/F1101-20113-061/[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/COCI/F1101-20113-061/</a></p>
<p>Coma, at his point it’s not even worth responding to puma. (s)he obviously has an agenda.</p>
<p>Woops. Wrong link in post #31 <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12759572-post31.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/12759572-post31.html</a> I meant to link this [Fall</a> 2011 Humanities F1001 section 058](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/F1001-20113-058/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/HUMA/F1001-20113-058/) </p>
<p>tsar10027, I’m aware of that. I just like frustrating him/her. I’m taking this all in good fun.</p>
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<p>That is exactly what I am trying to say. GS degree requirement is different from CC requitement.</p>
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<p>Please don’t forget that Continuing Education students take the SAME course with the SAME faculty with GS students.</p>
<p>“That is exactly what I am trying to say. GS degree requirement is different from CC requitement.”</p>
<p>Only in ways that are beneficial. Greater flexibility (such as being able to opt out of 1 year of Lit Hum in favor of taking two 3000-level literature classes) is a godsend. I know some CC/SEAS students (such as ones in challenging majors in some field of science or engineering) that would kill for that option. </p>
<p>“Please don’t forget that Continuing Education students take the SAME course with the SAME faculty with GS students.”</p>
<p>There is a single unified faculty pool for ALL the undergraduate courses of Columbia University, comprising all three of its official undergraduate colleges. CC, SEAS, and GS. There is a single unified curriculum for all courses of the same title, regardless of whether it’s F or C section. And most classes don’t even have any C or F section, instead having a V or W section that is open to all undergraduate students as well. And then there are also very many C section classes that are open to all undergraduate students despite being C section, such as courses that are for your major. Continuing Education is not an undergraduate college and is not a degree-earning program. Continuing Education students are free to enroll in any course that is open to all the undergraduate colleges.</p>
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Yes. Thanks for confirming that Columbia College degree requirement is different from GS requirement. GS students take different required classes. </p>
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Columbia Continuing Education is one of offcial colleges of Columbia that offers undergraduate program (e.g. postbac which is similar to GS postbac and/or visiting students). GS and Continuing education students take the SAME couse with the SAME professor and graded on a the SAME curve.</p>
<p>But Continuing Education is open-enrollment and not an undergraduate college of Columbia University. One must apply to GS and the acceptance rate (23%) is equal to Northwestern, about equal to UC Berkeley, and lower than UCLA and NYU.</p>
<p>Columbia GS acceptance rate (23%):
<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board;
<p>Northwestern acceptance rate (23%):
<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board;
<p>UCLA acceptance rate (33%):
<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board;
<p>UC Berkeley (22%):
<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board;
<p>NYU acceptance rate (38%):
<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board;
<p>Columbia Continuing Education is an extension school that offers various professional master’s degrees (Actuarial Science, Landscape Design, and Sports Management). It is not an undergraduate college and does not confer a BA or a BS. </p>
<p>If your aim is to conflate Columbia GS with Continuing Education, you are sadly mistaken. There is a difference between open enrollment and an undergraduate college with an acceptance rate that is on par or lower than some of the top undergraduate universities in the country.</p>
<p>tsar10027… On top of that, I have to add that in contrast to the other competitive undergraduate institutions you referred to, GS’s admission rate has been falling consistently each year. Also, GS’s average graduating GPA has been rising and is currently equal to CC’s average graduating GPA (3.3x last I checked).</p>
<p>pumagirl: “Yes. Thanks for confirming that Columbia College degree requirement is different from GS requirement. GS students take different required classes.”</p>
<p>Your second sentence is completely and utterly false. Please refer to a comparison of all the details of the core curriculum between CC and GS here <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-school-general-studies/1157294-core-curriculum-cc-gs-comparison.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-school-general-studies/1157294-core-curriculum-cc-gs-comparison.html</a></p>
<p>pumagirl: “Columbia Continuing Education is one of offcial colleges of Columbia”</p>
<p>That is completely and utterly false. There are only three undergraduate colleges at Columbia. CC, SEAS, and GS. This can be seen here [Statistics</a> & Facts | Columbia University in the City of New York](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/content/statistics-facts.html]Statistics”>Statistics and Facts | Columbia University in the City of New York) underneath “Undergraduate Degrees by Program of Study”</p>
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you are again wrong. Here is the comaprison table <a href=“http://i.imgur.com/U7Cgq.jpg[/url]”>http://i.imgur.com/U7Cgq.jpg</a>
The required courses for graduation is different.
GS student can not take University Writing course with CC students </p>
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<p>You are wrong again. Here is the offcial list of columbia’s school and colleges.
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/files/columbia/content/university-brochure-2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/files/columbia/content/university-brochure-2010.pdf</a>
On page 2, Columbia Continuing Education is listed as one of the official schools of Columbia and it is as official as GS.</p>
<p>Continuing Education students take the SAME course with the same faculty members and often receive higher grade than GS students.</p>
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