100% need met college

<p>Sorry if this has been discussed....</p>

<p>Is the PLUS loan classified as aid under 100% need met college?<br>
We received sons aid package from one of the 100% need met college and after their Perkins and subsidized loans, there is a delta of $15k, which they want us to apply for the PLUS loan. Their net price calculator had combination of grant, loans, and work study... we typed in all the information for our 2013 1040.</p>

<p>We are just confused since we can get the same PLUS loan with other non 100% need colleges, which our son has been accepted to also.</p>

<p>Thank you</p>

<p>The PLUS loan is NOT an award. It is NOT aid. First of all, you have to apply for it and qualify credit wise. Also ANYONE can do the same regardless of whether they even have need. Any qualified parent can borrow from PLUS for the amount of COA minus any awards given. </p>

<p>If the school guarantees to meet full need, the PLUS should only be mentioned as a suggestion of where the parents can look for funds to pay for what the school thinks they should pay. The need portion should be covered with grants, loans and work study (all of some of those), and it’s what’s left in COA that parents can start looking for other means of paying in order to get the full Cost of Attendance covered.</p>

<p>You should discuss this with the college financial aid office. I’d be interested in knowing what college this is. If you look at the common data sets, the aid does NOT include PLUS as financial aid.</p>

<p>What was your EFC? The Plus loan can be used to fund the EFC, but need based grants can NOT be used to do so. </p>

<p>ETA…it looks like you are talking about UNC-CH. This is a Profile school…not just FAFSA. Is anyone in the family self employed, or own a business? Do you own any real estate beside your primary residence? Are parents married? </p>

<p>Thank you @cptofthehouse</p>

<p>That is what I figured.
The college’s need calculation summary had the expected family contribution at 60% of college budget and estimated need @ 40% but they only offered 25% of the 40% in Perkins loan and subsidized loan.<br>
What threw us off was that they sent another email how to apply for PLUS loan.</p>

<p>We are planning to call them tomorrow. Until this is clarified I am not going to mention the school.</p>

<p>@thumper1
You can work backwards for UNC from my percentages for the EFC… :)<br>
It could be the school but son has been accepted to other colleges this week. :)</p>

<p>We (married) are not self employed and do not own a business. We only have one home.
Son has a 529 plan but not enough to pay beyond 1 year of college expense.</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>That a separate email was sent to you is because the school is acknowledging that the PLUS is an option and not part of the financial aid award. There are sadly schools that throw in the PLUS option right along with the other financial aid awards as though they are actually awarding the student something when they are not. </p>

<p>Here is my take on the situation, just a guess, and you will have to talk directly to the financial aid office to get their explanation: You have an EFC from the FAFSA, which the school is acknowledging. However, being that this is a PROFILE school, they meet full need only according to their own formula and their institutional family contribution does not equal the FAFSA EFC. It rarely does. First of all, even the most generous schools start out with a flat amount student contribution required. That’s often even for zero EFC students. The school wants that money from the student each year. It could be as high as $6K from what I have seen. Then with PROFILE schools, a primary home is often considered an asset. So whatever equity you have in that home can get hit up. Also your son’ 529 plan gets hit with a contribution amount as well. For Fafsa. the home equity is not counted at all and the 529 plan gets assessed as a parental asset with the asset protection applied and then 5.6% applied to the excess. Not necessarily so with PROFILE schools. They do not have to use the same formulas that FAFSA uses, and often do not regarding assets. Some of them will even go after qualified plans, take the value of your cars as assets, and use any percentage they please. The school sees the discrepancy between their award and the EFC and is suggesting that you take out PLUS to meet the gap.</p>

<p>Again this is just my guess on what might have happened. Do call the financial aid office and get an explanation has to why you have this gap between your EFC and their contribution, and also why their own NPCs are so inaccurate. </p>

<p>It is a huge lacking in clarity that school financial aid data does not give percentage of aid given in terms of EFC. It’s ridiculous, IMO, to have percentages of need met when the school that use PROFILE and other information other than the FAFSA to give aid and then they report the percentage of need met based on their own parameters. So this school meets 100% of need as the school itself defines it, not as FAFSA does. I do not know a single school that guarantees to meet its COA as defined by FAFSA. Not a one. The NPCs are a huge help in showing how a school calculates in aid, but in this case there is a huge fail, and if the reason is simply the Home equity and 529, that is a huge fail on the part of the college. As Thumper points out in her post, there are things that often do not get reflected on the NPC, such as home business expenses and other unusual financial holdings and situations that are simply too cumbersome to put into an estimator. Some things are just individually assessed so they cannot be put into an estimator, but it is crucial IMO to include certain standard things that are assessed differently by a school, and home equity and 529s are as basic and standard as they come.</p>

<p>You are highly unlikely to get need fully met as defined by the EFC, but schools have their own formulas and hopefully the other schools’ packages will be closer to the FAFSA need and have more than self help in them. Though DIrect Student Loans and Perkins Loans and Workstudy are legitimately considered financial aid in the common data base, they really are not in that the loans do have to be repaid and it’s really just subsidy of the interest while the student is in school of the subsidized loans that is given to the student, as well as the consideration of getting a loan at such interest rates at such a young age without the credit history. The $5500 Direct Student loan is available at most any college as long as full COA is not covered by merit or other awards, though on a fuily unsubsidized basis if it isn’t included in teh aid package and can be used towards the EFC. The same goes for the hours one is awarded for work study. Very nice, but the student then has to use those work hours and the pay earned from them towards the aid, not towards the EFC. A kid who has zero financial need, Trump’s kids, could take out the $5500 Direct Loan and work a part time job to pay his costs. So on that perspective, they aren’t giving you much with those Direct Loans. </p>

<p>@cptofthehouse
Thanks for your summary. You are correct in your analysis.
Just spoke to a nice lady at the financial aid office…
Due to state budget cuts, starting this year, the college does not have enough $$ to cover 100% need (or our gap from EFC). </p>

<p>Hopefully we can get some good news this Friday from other colleges that will be closer to FAFSA need.</p>

<p>"“starting this year, the college does not have enough $$ to cover 100% need (or our gap from EFC).”"</p>

<p>So, is this UNC? Are you OOS? If so, then this is an expected change. There had been rumors that UNC was no longer going to meet need for OOS.</p>

<p>You mention Direct loan and Perkins loans. Did the school award NO grants at all? </p>

<p>I wonder if UNC will now become need-aware for OOS students so they can gap less.</p>

<p>Yes, OOS and no grants… All of their merit aid were distributed already so we are out of luck.</p>

<p>Whoa, wait a minute here. UNC never guaranteed to meet full need as defined by FAFSA EFC. NO school does, none. UNC is a PROFILE school, and those numbers are nearly always different from what FAFSA will come up with. Even Harvard with its ueber generous aid does not define need as FAFSA does and does not guarantee to meet FAFSA need. There is a big difference between not meeting their own definition of need and not meeting FAFSA definition of need. OP says I am correct in my analysis, and my analysis has nothing to do with UNC not guaranteeing to meet need as they define it. The OP states"starting this year, the college does not have enough $$ to cover 100% need (or our gap from EFC)." Gap from EFC is NOT gap from the college’s own determination, or their “institutional EFC”. </p>

<p>Though you will find out very soon, do run your numbers through the NPCs of other schools and see what they come up with in terms of what you and your student need to contribute. See if any of them are that close to the FAFSA EFC. I don’t see any issue with UNC or any school not meeting need as defined by FAFSA EFC, as none of them guarantee to do so, and rarely do so, (though I have some thoughts on that matter that I touched upon earlier). That’s business as usual. I do see a problem if their NPC does not reflect accurate numbers regarding their own price tags with things like home equity and 529s in the mix. Those should not be curve balls to a good NPC. There is a problem is they are that far off. Also a problem if they made guarantees of need being met and then having to renege. Those are integrity issues that should come to light, like make the news so that those applying next year know that UNC does NOT guarantee to meet full need even by their own forumula.</p>

<p>The other issue that is puzzling to me is that the package had only Perkins and Direct loans. The direct loans, I do see alot, and will let it go. But the Perkins loans are supposed to be reserved for the neediest students, like those PELL eligbile. What the heck is going on here? Abuse of Perkins funds? It looks like the student is in state from the numbers too, Perkins plus Direct Loans plus $15K gap does not equal OOS UNC costs.</p>

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<p>Note: while UNC is a CSS school, the family above had a simple financial pic, so their FAFSA EFC and CSS contribution should not have differed much.</p>