<p>Looked at how Oxford makes their admission decision. Pretty simple:
<p>thats it-no extra-curriculars, no how I saved the planet during spring break, no i’m a real good fencer.</p>
<p>I’m guessing not many of the kids in intro to government would have made it past phase 1.</p>
<p>bummer… :(</p>
<p>[Harvard</a> to be without Kyle Casey, Brandyn Curry in wake of cheating scandal - NCAA Basketball - SI.com](<a href=“http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/09/10/harvard-casey/index.html]Harvard”>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/09/10/harvard-casey/index.html)</p>
<p><a href=“Students of Harvard Cheating Scandal Say Group Work Was Accepted - The New York Times”>Students of Harvard Cheating Scandal Say Group Work Was Accepted - The New York Times;
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<p>well, we know that they learned enough to imitate the lack of honor/ethics in congress.</p>
<p>I just think it’s plain old sad that these kids, supposedly the best and brightest, felt that the test was unfair. I wondered if that was a euphemism for a test that didn’t simply ask them to regurgitate info from a book or lecture notes. I have no knowledge of course of what the exam questions were, or what the kids were expected to analyze or apply, but i don’t feel the least bit “sorry” for any of them. I suspect they were to use the lectures, the texts and do some internet research on some concepts to come up with their perspectives. I watched my son finish a take-home exam this summer from his non-Harvard caliber uni - open book, open internet…he had all kinds of books and notes and he was furiously writing for a couple hours, then he hit submit. Tough lesson, but one I’m sure won’t be made again at Harvard.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/ed...pted.html?_r=3[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/ed...pted.html?_r=3</a></p>
<p>An accused sophomore said that in working on exams, “everybody went to the T.F.’s and begged for help. Some of the T.F.’s really laid it out for you, as explicit as you need, so of course the answers were the same.”</p>
<p>Regurgitate? Well it seems they were often given the exact answers, when they say the hardest part is getting into Harvard, the really weren’t kidding.</p>
<p>It’s still sad. These are kids that most likely were held up as shining examples, but crap like this and the SAT cheating etc. etc. just tarnishes the shine for all capable kids…that’s why Harvard couldn’t just let it slide.</p>
<p>Okay. Have at me - I can take it.</p>
<p>How many rich white well-connected kids are gonna be outed and publicly withdraw from school and have it splashed all over the newspapers before being found guilty of anything?</p>
<p>well said mini.
Look who got tossed underneath the bus… hint- it was not a white guy</p>
<p>One if the perps could one day be the President of the United States!</p>
<p>I can just see the Enquirer headline 25 years from now.</p>
<p>well i think they cheated on purpose!!</p>
<p>It seems at least the original 13 exams flagged by the prof and his assistants were not collaborating, nor were they misled by inexact phrasing; they were cut n’ pasting:</p>
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<p>[Typo</a> at Root of Cheating Scandal, Letter Reveals | News | Collection | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/9/12/platt-letter-reveals-scandal/]Typo”>Typo at Root of Cheating Scandal, Letter Reveals | News | The Harvard Crimson)</p>
<p>Athletes are public figures. If Harvard athletes choose to take a year off this year, speculation will be rife.</p>
<p>^^^ Exactly. I’m the first one to say that there is race privilege at work in every historically white college in the country. But this particular bit of publicity is a result of the fact that varsity athletic participation is nationally regulated and publicly announced. I wish that there were enough widespread interest in other activities to merit an equivalent of ESPN reporting the lineup of the Veritones and the Crimson editorial staff, but we don’t live in that world.</p>
<p>(I’d sure like to live there. I wish there were nationwide headlines like this: “Bass with audible low B and perfect pitch commits to Harvard; Veritones, Krokodiloes engaged in tough recruitment battle.”)</p>
<p>There is absolutely nothing (other than racism and fear of wealthy door families) that prevents the Crimson or the Harvard itself from publishing all the names of those under investigation. We hear the names of those under investigation, or indicted, or whatever all the time.</p>
<p>Instead we’ll get the names of all of the Black athletes (and probably some of the white ones too) who go to Harvard on the so-called non-existent athletic scholarships dressed up as “need-based”.</p>
<p>How do you propose the Crimson get this information? Steal it from the Ad Board? Even the students in the class don’t know the list of those accused. Are you saying that you believe the Crimson has the whole list, but is only publishing athletes’ names? What is the basis for that belief?</p>
<p>And Harvard itself has published zero names, so it is hard to see a racist bias there.</p>
<p>We certainly do not hear the names of students under investigation for academic misconduct all the time, at least not from the universities themselves. FERPA applies to investigations as it does to grades, etc.</p>
<p>“Platt’s letter identified two groups of students represented among the first 13 suspicious exams: graduating members of the Class of 2012 and members of the baseball team.”</p>
<p>Members of the graduated Class of 2012 are not protected by FERPA as far as I’m aware. They’re not students. Conveniently, no member of the baseball team has been identified.</p>
<p>It would be extremely easy for the Crimson to cross-reference the few graduated seniors taking a freshman course in their senior years, and ask them to comment. Same with members of the baseball team. This isn’t rocket science, and wouldn’t violate any laws.</p>
<p>“Members of the graduated Class of 2012 are not protected by FERPA as far as I’m aware. They’re not students.”</p>
<p>Matters relating to activities while the subject was a student certainly are protected by FERPA following graduation. I deal with this all the time because I handle job applications for alumni of my university. We can’t distribute their letters of recommendation without a FERPA waiver, much less their grades.</p>
<p>'It would be extremely easy for the Crimson to cross-reference the few graduated seniors taking a freshman course in their senior years, and ask them to comment."</p>
<p>Well, sure, requests for comment would be reasonable. That’s just a very different thing from “publishing all the names of those under investigation,” which is what you said in your earlier post. They did ask for comments from a number of people taking the course. But they haven’t stated – because it would be wildly irresponsible – that Joe Student was accused of cheating based on the fact that he was a graduating senior in a gut course. (I imagine any wise thesis-writer would.) At any rate, who was enrolled in the course this spring isn’t public information, even within the Harvard community. The Crimson could certainly come up with a decent list of names, but it wouldn’t be complete. Especially in a class where regular attendance wasn’t expected.</p>
<p>It’s a shame that athletes under investigation have to “out” themselves by withdrawing in order to retain eligibility, which means that their names will be associated with the scandal even if they are found innocent, but those are the NCAA rules. I guess the Crimson could take a principled stand and refuse to publish this news, but it would likely end up in the sports press.</p>
<p>It was already released in sports press and the Boston Globe, which was why the Crimson followed suit and re-published it. </p>
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<p>Goodness mini, they can’t just take some rumors based on hearsay and publish them like facts :eek:. The basics of responsible journalism!</p>
<p>They don’t have to take rumors. As I said, they can run down all the names, and actually ASK them for comments. It would NOT be rumor; it WOULD be responsible journalism. Which is what they haven’t done thus far. </p>
<p>And they could RESPONSIBLY publish the names of ALL those who took the course, including who were graduating seniors, and who were members of the baseball team. Then those who wanted to comment could do so.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way - ALL those who took the class are UNDER INVESTIGATION. Some will be found to have cheated, and some not. But they are all being investigated.</p>
<p>They cannot release the names, as it’s covered by FERPA.</p>
<p>On the other hand, should any of the students be stupid enough to sue, their names and details will become public record. By suing, they’ll forfeit FERPA’s protection, as the accused has a right to discovery.</p>
<p>I don’t know if other students’ names will be exposed through discovery.</p>
<p>I suppose other students could out classmates, as the students aren’t bound to confidentiality. </p>
<p>Google “Blair Hornstine,” and you’ll see the internet is forever.</p>