13-year-old with awful handwriting (really, printing)

<p>Wow, I thought my brother was the only one with chicken stratch handwriting! My dad complained how his handwriting hadn't changed since kindergarten. Even when he learned script in 3rd grade, they weren't well done.... his lowest grades were always relating to handwriting lessons. My parents did have him tested but nothing conclusive came out of it.</p>

<p>Fortunately, I think most of his teachers has been forgiving and allowed him to type his assignments.</p>

<p>Even his signature is.... weird.... he can't just simply do script so the letters are very narrow with literally no space between them....</p>

<p>Somehow, he got hired for his part-time job... but thanks for mentioning the possiblity of a lower grade on the SAT writing section!</p>

<p>Cosar - it was a case of Teenage boy not wanting to have attention drawn to him. He had some accomodations in middle school and hated it. School and homework was such a battle with him for years that we made a deal with him that if he could keep up reasonable grades we would let him choose not to have accomodations - which worked for him. In reality our school district was not very helpful. In elementary school he was struggling horribly. His teachers wanted to get him help but the LD teachers attitude was that they would not test him unless he was 2 years behind (which - surprise - we very much wanted to avoid). I talked to people till I found out the rules and was able to force the issue and get him tested. But even so no real help was forthcoming. A case of quiet and well behaved so falling through the cracks - plus believe it or not - living on the wrong side of the tracks in that not enough kids at our school qualified for free lunch so the school did not have tutors to help. Middle and high school were more helpful but a lot of damage was done by then confidence wise. He is a very bright articulate young man - can argue the hind leg off a donkey - so long as it is verbally and not in writing. I had not heard of dysgraphia (which is not really about penmanship - which is hard for people to understand) before all this so I guess I can try and be understanding of people who think it is an "arcane excuse" . They may need to walk in our shoes to understand.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, it's a depressingly common story. I too can be understanding of people who are not familiar with dysgraphia - I wouldn't be familiar with it either if it didn't affect my son. But I can be understanding only up to a point - the point being where their lack of understanding harms my child. If a child's legs were amputated, we wouldn't deny the child a wheelchair. It may be harder for someone to understand a disability that they can't see, but that doesn't make it an "arcane excuse." Like your son (and mine), many children with dysgraphia are otherwise very bright, articulate and capable. So I tend to bridle a bit when I see other people's lack of understanding of a child's disability causing them to discount it, to make the child feel as though he's making "excuses", and to make him feel so self-conscious about accepting appropriate accommodations that he'd rather suffer through without them.</p>

<p>My D can't write in cursive worth a darn. She had to write " I certify that this essay is the result of my own efforts" at the bottom of her college essays and it must taken her 5 minutes to write it twice and even had to white out one word and rewrite. She can't even remember how to make certain letters in cursive. She has always printed everything she has to write, even on the SAT. She says she can print faster than writing in cursive and her printing is legible. I don't know if it's because she learned to print first in elementary school and then started typing assignments soon after that she never really felt very comfortable writing in cursive. She's a very bright kid. I guess it's just not high on her priority list.</p>

<p>My younger son refused accomodations because his middle school could never get them right. They'd give him extra time instead of access to a keyboard. They'd put him at inadequate desks. They'd put him in a room where kids were having questions read to him which he found incredibly distracting. Ultimately he decided that on most middle school tests he could speed through the multiple choice sections faster than the other kids and have adequate time for the essay. Mind you - I don't think dysgraphia is quite his problem though his handwriting is dreadful and he claims he can't remember cursive. We never really pinpointed what was going on - I suspect below average processing speed. He dropped the 504 plan - I'm looking into reviving it as he's had trouble finishing honors Chem. tests despite knowing all the material.</p>

<p>H has handwriting that is so illegible it's embarrassing. After 23 years, I still can't read it and printing is only slightly better. My kids all write in cursive that is fairly legible although way too small for comfortable reading. In our former school district in NJ, once the kids learned cursive in 2nd grade printing was no longer accepted. Here, anything goes. I had no idea that kids today primarily print until my youngest said he is one of the only kids in school that ever uses cursive for in class assignments. I think there was a thread earlier this fall that said something like only 15% of SAT Writing essays are done in cursive.</p>

<p>My mother has the most beautiful cursive handwriting that I always wished I had inherited. It really is a dying art form that I will miss.</p>

<p>I'm a mother of two boys with bad handwriting. My theory regarding bad handwriting is that teachers do not penalize for it, even in elementary school, and by using the computer keyboard so much they are unaccustomed to it. My own cursive is much worse now then it was pre-keyboard days. My printing is good but my typing is much faster and more legible (and I can use spellcheck!) so I often chose that over writing whenever I can.</p>

<p>for me (female), my problem has always been that i rush to get my words on the paper, which causes my 'chinese-like' writing. if i took the time to print neatly, it would be possible, but i dont have the time/patience.
this is why typing is so wonderful- i can type almost as fast as i can think!</p>

<p>My H was told by one of his teachers, many moons ago, that he'd never be successful in life because his penmanship was so atrocious. We laugh at that story whenever we're trying to decipher a note he's left for me or one of my 4 Ds. He's had a very successful career as a lawyer and is currently the General Counsel of a large corporation. I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you. I think penmanship, like many things, is done well by some, but not by all. </p>

<p>Our schools still teach cursive. It surprises me to hear that many do not.</p>

<p>My DH's handwriting is awful, awful, awful, and I do think it has held him back in his career. It's like chicken scratch where the chicken had a neurological disease that caused it to step very very lightly. </p>

<p>He also gets all huffy when I say I can't read something he's written...but then of course he can't read it himself.</p>

<p>Mathmom - that sounds so much like my sons experiences. I remember after we had finally coerced the elementary school into getting him tested I would ask him daily if the LD teacher had met with him yet and it was always no. Finally he told him she met with him and worked with him on math!!!! Told him he was doing fine (duh - math was not a problem) and said she didnt need to meet with him again. Then middle school it was the same as your son - would go to a different class for some tests and they would want to read the tests to him.It was a very frustrating period in our lives - we tried so hard to get him help and it was just not there - or when there it was not what he needed.</p>

<p>Huskem - yay finally another female with bad writing. My daughter is the same as you - she can type really fast and at her school they can take lap tops to class so she does. Unfortunately there are still those forms to be filled out and things like the SAT. I was helping her type up some notes from summer work and I spent so much time asking her 'what's this word' that I was more of a hinderance than a help.</p>

<p>About the problem of sending in "hand written" essays to highly selective independent HSs - I'd recommend sending in a typed (and signed) translation with the hand-written application essay, so they understand what he is writing and that he wrote it (as evidenced by the chicken scratch). I think the hand written part is more to make the child do the essay (not that any parent would EVER think of HELPING their kid with his or her essay). The typed translation, is more for their convenience.</p>

<p>I've been thinking a lot lately about things that simply take time to do well and shouldn't be rushed. I do a lot of knitting, and I've found that rushing always takes more time in the end, because I end up ripping stuff out and re-knitting it. Or writing an email: it takes more time to send the clarification than it would have to take the time in the first place.</p>

<p>I think handwriting can be like that. If you rush the writing to keep up with your thoughts, the handwriting quality goes, because nice handwriting takes time. But if you don't rush, you may lose the thoughts.... which is why typing works so well for some of us.</p>

<p>But I have found lately that when I take the time to plan and organize before I handwrite a letter that the quality of both my writing and my handwriting improves. </p>

<p>Some things should take more time, not less.</p>

<p>My 5th grade S was disgnosed with dysgraphia last summer. We did tutoring with the linda Mood program this summer as he also has a phonemic awareness issue (can't decipher the phonics in a word) This was his 3rd attempt at tutoring and he can now spell basic words. His writing was a struggle last year- ask him to write a book review, it would take him 45 minutes for two frustrating sentences. Ask him to do it on the computer- you get a typed page of a review. I was hoping the tutoring this summer would mean he could write well this fall, instead, his teacher just has him go to the computer for anything more than a sentence or two of writing. We are just now talking to the middle school for next year to find how we can accomadate him. I am trying to find if we need an IEP now, so when high school and SAT time arrives, he will already have it in his record of a neccessity to type.
We tried to have him go slow, I tried to make him rewrite the sloppy, but when you go for testing and you see he can't duplicate a circle with a triangle on top, you do realize there is a true problem going on.</p>

<p>Fourkidsmom - back in 5th grade my son with dysgraphia could not draw a circle or triangle either. </p>

<p>The best advice I ever received in handling my son with dysgraphia was from the school psychologist who recommended that we stop making him work on handwriting and strongly encourage him to word process. </p>

<pre><code> My son had an accomodation of word processing for the writing portions the AP exams and the new SAT I writing component. Just his 504 was not sufficient and he was denied by the college board the first time around. The entire evaluation by a clinical psychologist had to be sent and there were some specific tests ( see below ) that that had to be abnormal in order to qualify for word processing.

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<p><a href="http://www.collegeboard.com/ssd/student/guidelines.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeboard.com/ssd/student/guidelines.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>FROM THE COLLEGE BOARD WEBSITE
Eligibility Guidelines for Computer Accommodations on College Board Tests</p>

<p>There are three major disability categories for documenting the need of a computer accommodation for written language expression on College Board tests: </p>

<p>Physical Disability (edited out to shorten post)</p>

<p>Dysgraphia (fine motor) </p>

<p>Learning Disability (severe) </p>

<p>A student's request for computer accommodation on College Board tests, in any of these categories, is to be made following the below documentation guidelines. Note that under category C., not all Learning Disabilities have functional limitations that establish the computer as an appropriate accommodation. </p>

<p>B. Dysgraphia
For the purposes of College Board tests, dysgraphia is defined as a type of disability in which a student has fine motor problems that impact his/her writing skills. Unless there is evidence to show that poor handwriting is due to a disabling condition, it does not mean dysgraphia or fine motor coordination deficit. </p>

<p>As published on page 1 of of Instructions for Completing the Student Eligibility Form for Accommodations on College Board Tests (Instructions) under Guidelines for Documentation to be eligible for an accommodation, a student needs to provide disability documentation that indicates the diagnosis, historical information regarding onset of the condition, current functional limitations in academic learning particularly on written expression, and rationale for the requested computer accommodation. </p>

<p>Therefore, for dysgraphia (fine motor), eligibility to receive a computer accommodation on College Board tests will be based on a review of:</p>

<p>An evaluation exam and report which demonstrates that the student has fine motor problems. Some of the common tests that are acceptable by the professional community to document fine motor skills problems are the Coding subtest of the Wechsler Cognitive Test or the Beery Buktenica Developmental Test of Visual Motor Integration (VMI) or Rey Complex Figure Test. Professionals such as occupational therapists, psychologists, learning specialists, MDs can document such conditions.
An academic testing in writing that substantiates that the student's fine motor problems present severity in organization, presentation of ideas, richness of language, complex language structure. (Severity in writing does not include measurement of the mechanics of language - e.g., spelling, grammar.) Tests such as written expression subtest of the WIAT II, Broad Writing cluster of Woodcock Johnson III, TOWL III or OWLS are commonly used. These writing tests would tap specific writing skills such as organization, composition, structure, syntax, vocabulary. It always is helpful to include a timed measure such as WJ III writing fluency especially if timed testing condition is an issue. These tests are usually administered by school or clinical psychologists or educational diagnosticians.</p>

<p>thanks- maybe six years from now it will all be on computer or the writing portion will be gone. If the college board read the posts on CC it would be gone!</p>

<p>Count us in, too. DS1's crummy handwriting is attributable to I Can't Be Bothered -- when he has to make it neat, I hardly recognize it as his. He has been typing since he was four and now zips along at 65 wpm with scarcely an error. They'd love him in a newsroom!</p>

<p>DS2 -- Real, live dysgraphia. Documented. Elem and MS gave him informal accommodations -- extra time if needed, let him keyboard until he felt self-conscious (and even though he wasn't the only one doing so). He did private OT for two years until the OT finally told me we were wasting our money. She had gotten him to 5th %tile in his writing hand. Started at 2nd %tile.</p>

<p>We are also dealing with processing speed problems and a three standard deviation difference between Verbal and Performance WISC-III scores.</p>

<p>The school system refuses to offer 504 or IEP -- he was in very selective GT programs in elem and MS, and they say "but look at his grades!" What they didn't see was how long it took him to get HW done at home, and because the teachers didn't mind giving extra time, it wasn't a big issue at school.</p>

<p>Now...he's in 9th at an intense IB program (oxymoron, I know!) and there are no accommodations without a 504 or IEP. He is running out of time on essay questions following MC tests, does not have enough time to write compositions in English, and has no time to go back and self-correct. The grades show it. School is loath to test, my husband says he has to get over it -- that life's not fair and he has to deal. Son is not happy with grades, is tired of us bugging him, doesn't want "obvious" accommodations, and doesn't want to hear about strategies. I am at my wit's end.</p>

<p>Daffymom, did you get accommodations for your son in high school, or was this done earlier in his academic career?</p>

<p>now I'm not sure about any of this, but here goes. dysgraphia is a DSM IV listed disability. If the dysgraphia is affecting grades and is documented then an IEP is mandated by the individuals with disabilities in education act. Doesn't matter that he's in an intense program the IEP still applies, he really should have an IEP and accomodations. It's best to do it now, when he's still doing ok rather than when things get really bad.</p>

<p>Countingdown wrote:
Daffymom, did you get accommodations for your son in high school . . . </p>

<pre><code>No, accommodations were initiated in sixth grade. The school suggested informal accomodations but I have learned that, ". . . if it isn't in writing it doesn't exist," so we insisted on a formal 504 (504 if child can complete grade level work with accomodation vs IEP if workload should be modified).
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<p>Like Countingdown's son, he has a huge discrepancy between his verbal IQ and performance IQ (handwritten) and over time he associated use of word processing with academic success and the ability to demonstrate his "true" intelligence. He disliked feeling different but loved getting those good grades more!</p>

<p>Pretty consistently, the first few months of each school year, teachers underestimated the severity of his problem sometimes trying to eliminate the accomodations. However, by mid year these same teachers were converts strongly supporting the word processing. Freshman year of high school was the worst. The 504 coordinator asked for permission to run a few quick tests during a study hall as she thought since he was succeeding in honors classes the 504 should be eliminated. (she ignored the fact that he was using the accomodation while earning those grades - ugh!! ). We refused and demanded a complete re- evaluation by the psychologist. Again his dysgraphia was demonstrated on testing and 504 coordinator back down. Schools are required to retest every 3 years.</p>