15 British sailors detained by Iran...

<p>Really in her own way - she asked if maybe this didn't belong over in the parents section. As I recall the moderators on this forum have also asked that in the past. That is why they created an Academy Parents forum. </p>

<p>You make a point of insinuating that this young lady does not know what she is in for...think she does as if you have looked at her few other posts she comes from a USNA family.</p>

<p>As a parent of a current Midshipmen I certainly do hope that you are very wrong about
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but war is inevitable for all military academy grads

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you and everybody else MUST serve your country and most probably in a real war.

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Prediction or Wish? I almost get the impression that you want to see the next one come.</p>

<p>Fligirl89 has a valid point, and I concur. The Naval Academy forum should provide applicants/candidates information on USNA and the application/nomination process. Slightly over a year ago, this forum went terribly awry and certain adults started using it as a therapy couch/bully pulpit. I actually think the other service academy forums, i.e., USMA, USAFA, USMMA, USCGA, offer students interested in the Naval Academy better information on USNA than the nonsense that has been thrown around the Naval Academy forum in the past year and a half. Take the political discussions to the SA parents forum and show the candidates/applicants some support and respect.</p>

<p>LOL. </p>

<p>Yeah..... Must have come as a real bummer to you to have a bunch of people show up and upend the little soapbox you had going on here back then. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Don't mind me, folks. Just passing through. ;)</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/28/iran.uk.sailors/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/28/iran.uk.sailors/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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The one woman among a group of 15 British military personnel seized by Iran will be freed later Wednesday or Thursday, Iran's foreign minister has told CNN. </p>

<p>The woman, identified as sailor Faye Turney, was seized last Friday by Iran along with 14 other British Royal Navy sailors and marines who were conducting a routine inspection of a merchant vessel at the northern end of the Persian Gulf....

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<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/proof-british-sailors-in-iraqi-waters/2007/03/28/1174761571015.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/proof-british-sailors-in-iraqi-waters/2007/03/28/1174761571015.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>If you don't wanna read it, look away! :D</p>

<p>Iranian capture of British sailors, Marines raises questions on rules of engagement</p>

<p><a href="http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/03/navy_britishmarines_irancaptured_070327w/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/03/navy_britishmarines_irancaptured_070327w/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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The 15 British sailors and Marines captured by Iran on Friday could just as easily have been Americans — both navies, along with Australian forces, constantly patrol the contentious and confined waters of the northern Persian Gulf.</p>

<p>But Navy officials would not discuss the possibility that American forces might have resisted the Iranian sailors rather than face capture, after a U.S. Navy officer in the region was quoted talking about rules of engagement in a British newspaper....

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<p>Published in the New York Crimes:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/world/europe/28cnd-britain.html?hp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/world/europe/28cnd-britain.html?hp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Escalating its dispute with Iran, Britain today froze all ?bilateral business? with Tehran to retaliate for the seizure of 15 British naval personnel six days ago in what the Royal Navy insists were Iraqi territorial waters.</p>

<p>?It is now time to ratchet up international and diplomatic pressure? on Iran to demonstrate its ?total isolation,? Prime Minister Tony Blair told parliament after the Royal Navy released details of what it said was the sailors? position when they were apprehended....

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<p>*Female captive says British boats 'trespassed' in Iranian waters *</p>

<p>Published in the BS:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-iran0328,0,1682090.story?coll=bal-home-headlines%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-iran0328,0,1682090.story?coll=bal-home-headlines&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Iranian state TV showed video today of the 15 British sailors and marines who were seized last week, including a female captive who wore a white tunic and a black head scarf and said the British boats "had trespassed" in Iranian waters.</p>

<p>The British government protested Iran's broadcast of the captured crew as "completely unacceptable." The British military had earlier released what it called proof that its boats were in the territorial waters of Iraq -- not Iran -- when they were seized....

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<p>RightofCenterMom – I really do understand the stakes, probably better than you ever will as I have an uncle MIA/POW in Vietnam. Please do not question a student on this board about their understanding…you should not assume that we do not understand… you never know what buzz saw you are walking into.</p>

<p>I have a Brother USNA03, Cousin current Mid and a Grandfather USNA47 (I think ’47 will have to ask Mom on that one, I can never remember but I know it was in the 40’s post WWII) Parent retired USN – last two years is the first time I can call home really home…hopefully they will stay put for awhile. One of the reasons for maybe not accepting USNA and staying on the west coast.</p>

<p>USNA09Mom I do remember some of the goings on and I appreciate your support. Here is the big but…, but I also do appreciate when the adults chime in on things that are USNA specific. I look at it this way…these are the parents of the kids I may be associating with for the next many years…usually the acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree. Scary thought given some of the attitudes seen here! If I am exposed to their attitudes about USNA, I gain insight as to some of the attitudes I might encounter on the yard. </p>

<p>CW you my friend are short changing yourself if you don’t check that forum…you would be amazed at what you may learn there. </p>

<p>I mean no disrespect but I really do get tired of seeing all of the political stuff posted on a section that is supposed to answer questions about USNA. It would be one thing if there had been a question within this topic about the politics on the yard…it was not asked but has been addressed on other threads and I really do know how to use the search feature. I will stand by my original thought….shouldn’t the posts about world/American politics be over on the Parents Forum shouldn’t this be the place to get information and learn all we can about the Academy and the 4 years by the Bay?</p>

<p>GA I see your posts about sports and “other going on’s” with Midshipmen and the yard. Very valid on this section as it has to do with the “culture” at the Academy. I find it interesting as my cousin quite frankly gets tired of me picking his brains, and my brother thinks I am nuts if I take the appointment – he is the cynical one but loving flying high and fast. And my parents are over it all being that I am the last. Thanks, I may not agree with what is posted but it does serve a purpose on this section.</p>

<p>Maybe I am wrong, it just seems to me that USNA belongs here and American/World Politics belong over there.</p>

<p>"This forum should ideally serve as a place for parents of students at our nation's service academies to congregate and discuss the issues they face. Understandably, many of these issues take on a political bent, and this means political discussions-- political discussions of course mean disagreement, and disagreement means the potential for rancor...."</p>

<p>From my understanding of the above message, some issues do take on a political bent--and we are asked to simply remain civil.</p>

<p>This is not "world politics" in a broad sense, but as it has to do with military, and particularly NAVY. </p>

<p>When my son had his interview with a selection panel for his MOC one of the very first questions asked was "Can you locate Iran and Iraq on this map?" Then "Where are North and South Korea?" They went on to make sure my son understood just what our country and military is involved in and further explained that these are hot areas and it is important to know about these countries and the issues...</p>

<p>So as far as this particular post not being important to USNA hopefuls--you make the call--And I will refrain from editorializing (with my slanted politics:)</p>

<p>Just hope GA keeps the reports coming for the rest of us thanks.</p>

<p>Royal Navy Team Seized in Persian Gulf Appears on Video Broadcast in Tehran</p>

<p>Published in the Washington Compost:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032800294.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032800294.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Iran's foreign minister said Wednesday that in order to win the freedom of 15 navy personnel seized last week in the Persian Gulf, the British government must acknowledge that the team illegally entered Iranian waters.</p>

<p>Iranian television broadcast video footage of the sailors and marines on Wednesday, with the lone woman among them, dressed in Muslim garb, saying that the British boats had "trespassed" in Iranian waters....

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<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/29/iran.uk.sailors/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/29/iran.uk.sailors/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Britain sought international help to isolate Iran on Thursday in a dispute over the capture of 15 military personnel in the Persian Gulf, but Tehran says further pressure could delay any release. </p>

<p>The latest comments from Iran have set back hopes for a swift resolution to the bitter standoff, with both Iran and Britain claiming that each others' actions have been unlawful. </p>

<p>The dispute has also raised Middle East tensions, already high over concerns about Iran's nuclear ambitions, and sent shockwaves through the oil market.

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<p><a href="http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/03/ap_gulf_manuevers_070328/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/03/ap_gulf_manuevers_070328/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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The United States wrapped up a massive military exercise in the Persian Gulf Wednesday, putting on a show of strength for Iran even as the United Arab Emirates became the second Gulf nation to declare it would not take part in any attack on the Islamic Republic.</p>

<p>The U.S. has denied any intention to attack. But the public refusals of two allies to help could affect U.S. military options or require shifting of resources if tensions did seriously escalate....

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<p>From CNN Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr</p>

<p>WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. military forces in the Persian Gulf tried to assist last week when a British naval crew was detained by Iranian border guards, a senior U.S. military official told CNN Thursday.</p>

<p>The official said a U.S. Navy patrol craft and a U.S. Navy helicopter were asked by British forces to try to help find a crew with which it had lost communications.</p>

<p>The U.S. military was not able to find the crew or re-establish communications with them, the official said.</p>

<p>However, the British military did receive a broken radio communication soon after the crew disappeared, the official said.</p>

<p>An Iranian voice saying "No harm, taken to a safe place" was heard on the radio, the official explained. (Posted 1:45 p.m.)</p>

<p>Iran: British crew crossed into Iranian waters six times; release of woman sailor suspended</p>

<p>TEHRAN (CNN) -- Iranian officials said Thursday that the British sailors and marines who were detained last week entered Iranian territorial waters six times before they were arrested, and announced that the promised release of the woman sailor was suspended due to Britain's "behavior" in the matter.</p>

<p>An Iranian naval spokesman said there is videotape and documents, including global positioning numbers, to back up their claims that the British crew entered Iranian waters.</p>

<p>The latest salvo in the standoff came as Iranian military commander Alireza Afshar announced that the release of Faye Turney was being suspended.</p>

<p>"The wrong behavior of those who live in London caused the suspension," Afshar said, according to the Mehr news agency.</p>

<p>Wednesday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki had said Turney would be released "very soon."</p>

<p>Ali Larijani, the secretary of of Iran's Supreme National Council, said Tehran would like to resolve the issue through bilateral discussions and through an investigation of legal and technical issues, and again asserted that the British patrol boats entered Iranian waters illegally.</p>

<p>In London, a spokesman for British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Thursday that Britain would not seek a confrontation with Iran on the matter.</p>

<p>"We want this resolved. We do not want a confrontation over this. We want this resolved as quickly as possible," the spokesman told reporters.</p>

<p>British Foreign Minister Margaret Beckett announced Wednesday that Britain was freezing all bilateral diplomatic business with Iran until the 15 Britons were freed.</p>

<p>Thursday marked the sixth day Tehran has defiantly refused Britain consular access to the detained sailors.</p>

<p>They were arrested March 23 as they conducted anti-smuggling patrols near the mouth of the Shatt al-Arab, at the northern end of the Persian Gulf.</p>

<p>The waterway has long been the site of tensions between Iraq and Iran, which both claim it as their territory.</p>

<p>Britain insists that its sailors were in Iraqi waters, but Iran says the vessels clearly entered its territory six times before the crew members were detained.</p>

<p>The arrests prompted a flurry of diplomatic activity in and outside the Gulf, with several countries calling for the immediate and unconditional release of the Britons.</p>

<p>The United Nations Security Council is expected to discuss the issue Thursday.</p>

<p>U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon met with Mottaki on the sidelines of the Arab League summit in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Thursday to talk about the situation.</p>

<p>In a videotape broadcast Wednesday on the Iranian Arabic language network Al Alam, Turney, wearing a black scarf covering her hair, said that her crew had "trespassed" into Iranian waters.</p>

<p>"Obviously we trespassed into their waters," she said.</p>

<p>"They were very friendly, very hospitable, very thoughtful, nice people. They explained to us why we'd been arrested. There was no aggression, no hurt, no harm. They were very, very compassionate," Turney added.</p>

<p>It was not known when the videotape was shot, or if Turney, 26, was able to speak freely, since she is being held against her will.</p>

<p>The British government reacted angrily to that video and another showing Turney and other crew members eating a meal.</p>

<p>Beckett said she was "very concerned about these pictures and any indication of pressure on or coercion of our personnel who were carrying out a routine operation in accordance with international law and under a United Nations resolution in support of the Iraqi government."</p>

<p>Wednesday, the British Ministry of Defense gave what it said was proof that the British ship carrying the sailors and marines never strayed into Iranian waters.</p>

<p>British Vice Adm. Charles Style said the global positioning system on the ship proves the vessel was "clearly" 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters.</p>

<p>Iran insists the ship was inside its territorial waters and, according to Style, provided a map with coordinates on Saturday in an attempt to prove the point.</p>

<p>Style said those coordinates actually "turned out to confirm they were in Iraqi waters" and Iraq has supported that position.</p>

<p>Upon pointing that out Sunday through diplomatic contacts, Style said Iran then "provided a second set of coordinates" on Monday that were "in Iranian waters over two nautical miles" from the position shown by the HMS Cornwall and confirmed by the merchant vessel the British personnel boarded.</p>

<p>The "change of coordinates," Style said "is hard to legitimate."</p>

<p>-- CNN's Shirzad Bozorgmehr contributed to this report (Posted 10:40 a.m.)</p>

<p>I appreciate looking here for the info/just to see if there is something I am missing in my own news search. It doesn't matter if its in Parent/Academy forums. Plus the prospective mids should become knowledgeable on this important current event.</p>

<p>The more this info is let out to discuss in public, maybe there will be more pressure/ie diplomtically/or forcibly to allow for their freedom. Isn't this really what we all want?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/29/iran.uk.sailors/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/29/iran.uk.sailors/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Iran released Thursday what it says is a second letter from captured British sailor Faye Turney in which she criticizes British policy in Iraq. </p>

<p>"Isn't it time for us to start withdrawing our forces from Iraq and let them determine their own future?" said the letter, addressed to the British parliament and released to media organizations by the Iranian embassy in London....

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<p>I'm wondering when the ACLU, Amnesty International, International ANSWER, MoveOn.org, CodePink, and the usual suspects in the "We support the troops but not the war" crowd will begin asking whether these British troops are being coerced or tortured into issuing statements against their will?</p>

<p>When will they begin demanding that Amadinajad open up the prisons to international inspection?</p>

<p>When will they call for the extradition of the Iranian chain of command to the Hague for trial on war crime violations? </p>

<p>When will they demand that Amadinajad's defense minister step down?</p>

<p>When will they decry this action as a violation of international law?</p>

<p>When will they accuse the Iranians of being immoral?</p>

<p>When will they suggest that the news coverage released by Iran is just propaganda and that the BBC, in fact, is telling the truth?</p>

<p>Just wondering..... :rolleyes:</p>

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Don't hold your breath.</p>

<p>Trust me, I'm not. ;)</p>