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<p>fusion, while we are waiting for Zap to answer, why don't you throw your resume on the table?</p>
<p>I have not questioned the UK Marines. I did not slander anyone. I need not to put a resume. My question remains.</p>
<p>You don't need a resume, or havn't ever created one?</p>
<p>Of course your experience in life is pertinenant to the issue at hand because just as we discuss what the Brits may have done wrong, you defend their actions, both equally polarizing opinions, I fail to see how your 'side' doesn't need to explain itself. </p>
<p>As for your "evidence", you are aware that the Navy uses ships, the big steel things that float in water, and are aware that they may have some difficulty in moving across the desert. Points USNA69 made earlier about how dangerous the Navy can be are absolutely correct, however when fighting a war in one of the more dry climates on earth the Navy proper will not see much action. I beg you argue that point with the tens of thousands of other sailors who have died in some of the most important and decisive battles in history.</p>
<p>It may just be me, but I somehow am getting the feeling that dadvet and fusion may not be who they are claiming to be. For instance dadvet you say your son was killed in Somalia 15 years ago (my deepest respect for a true soldier). Yet you say your daughter is currently attending the Academy, a fairly large age gap to say the least, not to mention my concern for someone raised under your philosophies. However by far your most disturbing is your comment about the VT shootings. I fail to see how comparing unarmed college students being murdered so viciously can quite compare to the well-armed, well-trained, and prepared sailors and marines the Brits had, there is simply no comparison. As to you fusion, judging by your recent join date you specifically joined for this debate, which may mean you already have another account on CC that would reveal your true inadequacies. Gotta love this annonomous internet.</p>
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<p>LOL! Ya think? :D</p>
<p>Go back and look at their posting patterns and the topics they choose to post in. I bet a dollar to a donut their IP addresses are from UCLA. ;)</p>
<p>Where is Jamzmom when you need her? :D</p>
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<p>What many people do not realize is that approximately 12,000 of our sailors and Naval Officers, while on shore duty, are deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan to augment Army and Marine units and joint commands, in a program called Individual Augmentation. A Supply Corps Commander, just this past week, lost his life to a roadside bomb. But since they do not fit dadvet's definition of warfare, staring directly at the end of a drug dealer's handgun, and only face roadside bombs and mortar attacks, I suppose they don't count. The remainder of us, the well informed, are praying for them and their families. The ignorant are making up forum posts about them playing computer games and riding in pressurized tubes. Kav, I too find it difficult to understand how someone with a daughter at USNA could continue to be so ill informed.</p>
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<p>Welcome to the club. I've been saying that for going on two years, now. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Here's to hoping that today will bring some sanity to this thread. Some apologizing wouldn't hurt either.</p>
<p>wpson, don't expect maturity, you won't find it.</p>
<p>USNA produces officers, but not always gentlemen.</p>
<p>Yep, an apology would be in order but not really expecting one. Though, I would really like to see them apologize to all our active duty Naval personnel though whom they don't seem to have a clue as to what they are doing and have trashed pretty consistently throughout this thread.</p>
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<p>I'm thrilled to have offended you. USNA69 and I will lift a beer later in a salute to the achievement! :D</p>
<p>And with that said, I'll bow out of the thread. The point has been made, and only the mindless trolls are left. Enjoy!</p>
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<p>What exactly do you expect an apology for? </p>
<p>Zaphod, I'll join you. Cheers! (CLINK)</p>
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<p>I think the request for apology was directed toward fusion and dadvet. usna09mom just got a little disorientated.</p>
<p>The suggestion of apology wasn't directed towards anyone in particular, but would be most appropriate for those who made the issue a personal one by impugning the character, patriotism, service, or sincerity of fellow veterans or serving military personnel. One would hope that despite strong and reasoned differences in opinion there would be a modicum of respect between service men and women, and if there isn't, there damned well should be.</p>
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<p>LOL- see bill, shoulda taken that bet....knew you wouldn't be able to resist rejoining the postings sooner or later!!! Anyway, it's "navy2010," and it's a "she" .... ;)</p>
<p>wow- guess those lax games have kept me busier than I thought! </p>
<p>Way to cautious to enter into this arguement, so will post only to say that I hope nightfall finds all our men-and-women-in-arms alive and well, and as safe as they can be. Don't quite care if they are fighting on land or sea or air or underwater or whatever sandy terrain they find themselves on.... but sure am grateful, from the bottom of my soul, that they are out there for all of us. God keep them safe.</p>
<p>I read these posts....alarmed at some, horrified at others, saddened by a few, and enlightened by many....and while I would like to think I would be strong enough to stand for the principles I hold near and dear to my heart, my greatest fear is that I would lack the courage and fail miserably in the attempt. I can neither praise, nor fault the actions of those facing imminent harm- what I can do is pray that God grants them the courage to do what they must. I will be grateful for their willingness to climb into the arena in the first place, and I will hold my criticisms to that.</p>
<p>Dadvet- I can hear your pain over the loss of your son; no doubt it is as real to you today as it was 15 years ago. I can't imagine the pain, and I dread the day...I pray I never get there. That you are willing to risk it all again with your daughter is something beyond my comprehension- but to her, and you, God speed.</p>
<p>USNA69 and Z and the rest of "those that served".... thanks.... to a parent who never even thought about the military, except for the worry about what draft number her fiance would pull, I can only gain a glimmer of appreciation for what you have been through, what you may still bear as a result.... I pray those that come out the other end of this process live to tell their tale as well, and just as passionately, so the rest of us can be educated.</p>
<p>I hate war. I hate the fact that my son has chosen the miltary, even if it is NAVY.... thank God it is NAVY.... but as much as I hate it, I am behind him all the way. I have this vision that each will watch out for the back of their brother-in-arms, that respect will govern, and that they will get out the other end intact....physically, mentally and morally. I don't know if that is possible, but it is something I pray for.</p>
<p>My last prayers are for those who even consider to walk this path.... you are braver souls than I could ever be... and I applaud you. God keep you safe. </p>
<p>The final prayer is for our politicians...the good, the bad and the ugly... that they think before they act, that they don't put our kids in harms way unnecessarily and without cause, and they lead ethically and morally. I think I might have to up the prayer anti for this last group.</p>
<p>and tonight I will add a prayer for my fellow cc posters... sounds like we all could use one.</p>
<p>Senator Demands North Koreans Return USS Pueblo </p>
<p>By JENNIFER TALHELM, The Associated Press
Apr 18, 2007 </p>
<p>WASHINGTON - Colorado Sen. Wayne Allard is suggesting that the United States return a Korean general's battle flag in exchange for a war trophy on display in the North Korean capital Pyongyang - the spy ship USS Pueblo. </p>
<p>The Pueblo, named for the city 100 miles south of Denver, is the only active-duty U.S. warship in the hands of a foreign power, and the first captured since 1807. It was taken on Jan. 23, 1968, after being sent defenseless on an intelligence-gathering mission off the North Korean coast. </p>
<p>Allard, a Republican, asked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Wednesday to look into his idea for an exchange. He also introduced a resolution in the Senate, which has previously rejected similar proposals demanding the ship's return. </p>
<p>"Since the USS Pueblo bears the name of the town of Pueblo, Colo., many in our state want to see the vessel returned to its proper home," Allard wrote in a letter to Rice. "North Korea continues to hint at the possible return of the captured U.S. Navy ship, and I ask that you take action at this opportune time. </p>
<p>Some Colorado veterans of the Korean and Vietnam wars have been working to arrange the ship's return. Allard said they suggested exchanging it for the flag, which was captured from Korean Gen. Uh Je Yeon in an 1871 battle on Kanghwa Island. The flag is on display at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md. </p>
<p>The Pueblo "belongs to the United States Navy and we should pursue all possible options to return her to a rightful resting place," Allard wrote. </p>
<p>A spokeswoman for Rice said she could not comment immediately on the letter. </p>
<p>Navy records show the Pueblo was in international waters when it was captured, though North Korea insists it was inside the Korean coastal zone. One person was killed in an explosion during the attack, and 10 of the 82 surviving crewmen were wounded. All 82 were held 11 months before being sent to South Korea on Christmas Eve, 1968. </p>
<p>The North Koreans display the ship as a trophy and a monument to the rocky relationship between the two nations. Presidential candidate Bill Richardson and other U.S. officials were given a tour of the Pueblo during a visit this month to collect the remains of American servicemen killed in the Korean War. </p>
<p>They were told that North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Il, had decreed that the ship should be used for "an anti-American education." </p>
<p>Organized tours of North Koreans walk its decks to view evidence of their country's supremacy on the high seas; bullet holes on the bulkheads are circled in red. </p>
<p>In September 2005, the North Koreans suggested they would be willing to return the ship if they received a visit from Rice or another top-level American official...</p>
<p>Typical. You ignore completely what is written and spew off in a direction that makes no sense at all. I specifically excluded pilots and other inland/combat naval assignments from my comments.</p>
<p>I also did not make the comment about V.Tech; I was merely repeating what I heard on the radio. As I wrote.</p>
<p>I don't post very frequently becuase other parents seem quite capable of answering admissions types of questions. For the most part, this thread is a good example, its not worth spending time trying to write about anything else.
I only visit from time to time to see what information is out there that is not otherwise available on the parent's websites. Of course, when I do that, I just get concerned for the state of affairs in this country.</p>
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<p>Bah. Don't mention it. It was my honor. :o</p>
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<p>Seems to me a SEAL mission is in order.....</p>
<p>For someone who says he wasn't go to post on this thread on more than one occasion you're a real big flip-flopper. Btw, have you ever seen combat?</p>
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