<p>Sybbie, I think Asians are not condisered URMs at many more places than you imply. Anywhere where there are concentrations of Asians in fact. That includes all CA colleges, most in the NY area and on and on.</p>
<p>Asians are not urm's Anywhere where there are concentrations of Asians in fact. That includes all CA colleges, most in the NY area and on and on but that does not negate the fact that there are still about 40 other states and 3,000 colleges in the country (I will back out the NE where a majority of asians apply to school because that is the part of the country where the Ivies and elite Lac's are located and instead of 25 schools, after reading the U.S. News report list of most diverse schools I'll say 100)</p>
<p>And the number is growing daily. I work with a lot of Asian families, poor Asian families, and these kids seem to get less of a break each year.</p>
<p>Um....no...Need Blind means that the admissions committee NEVER sees your financial status...</p>
<p>Brown: Need-blind admission simply means that an applicant's ability to pay for their education will not be a factor in the admission decision. In other words, a candidate's financial need will not be taken into consideration when deciding to admit, wait list, or deny an applicant</p>
<p>Cornell follows a need-blind admission policy. That means we evaluate your admission application without considering whether you'll apply for financial aid.</p>
<p>For the past 30 years Yale has admitted students without regard to their ability to pay for their education -- a policy called "need-blind" admissions -- </p>
<p>that's just 3 of the ivies, too lazy to look for more. but, i was saying:
need blind is just that they don't care whether or not you can pay...but they know if you are po' or not.</p>
<p>poor have a way of showing they are poor. It's called a fee waiver. and if you don't take advantage of that, then being poor just isn't an advantage? I don't think so. admissions can tell if you're poor or not (middle-class/upper-class) they can spot it. Of course, there are exceptions and whatnot, but a kid who lives in the ghettos in brooklyn they know is going to be poor as opposed to someone who lives on 5th avenue. and it's not like random people read your application, someone who knows your area reads it.</p>
<p>quynh2007 is correct. Even though schools are need blind and do not see your financial aid information, they can tell looking at the information page one of your application and get a pretty good inkling of your financial aid status :
[ul]
[<em>]Parents Education
[</em>]Occupation
[<em>]High school you attend as the majority of high school students attend their neighborhood school (exeptions would be specialized high schools, ABC programs, or Private H.S. with generous financial aid where student is on full scholarship).
[</em>]The school Profile which gives the average SAT score for your school, graduation rate, % of students that attend 2 or 4 year colleges, Ap courses (as schools in lower income districts tend to have lower SAT scores, fewer graduates, lower college attendance rate, less AP offerings).
[<em>]Zip Code (address, neighborhood)
[</em>]Checking the Fee wavier box
[li]Simply answering yes or no as to whether you are applying for financial aid[/li][/ul]</p>
<p>can NOT applying for financial aid hurt? </p>
<p>ei do they assume you're a rich kid whose had everything in life handed to you and hold you at a much higher standard?</p>
<p>The only thing that not applying for financial aid is going to do is put you between a rock and a hard place if you are dependent upon financial aid to go to school. (you maynot be able to go because you have no money). Some schools require filing the FAFSA even for merit aid. At other schools, if you do not apply for aid freshman year, you will not be able to apply in subsequent years.</p>
<p>they should if your parents have 40K a year to blow, youve had more than say someone who went to an average school, had no tutors, no test prep, a job to make some money, etc.</p>
<p>but i really doubt that they will. look at the fact that almost 40% at the top schools came from privates, aka money. and the fact that only about 50% of students get need based aid at top schools shows that the minority (wealth) make up half of the applicants. so i dont think there is ANY discrimination against rich people. otherwise the percentage of rich kids would be a lot smaller.</p>
<p>Well let's just say we all love each other and sing gumbaya my Lord, gumbaya.
In other news, I think Kosuke is right.</p>
<p>oh..
ok, back to the question haha
is 1st generation WORTH as much as a URM?</p>
<p>If you are Asian, you are not URM, (usually)
I think 1st generation is worth a 10
URM, depending on other factors, could be 6 to 10.
But then again, these are not really quantifiable, and more info. is needed.
Anyhow, I am neither URM nor F-G, and am guessing.</p>
<p>chcocholic, that's just plain incorrect. In most cases first generation is nothing close to being a URM.</p>
<p>what if you're first generation & urm?</p>
<p>while being a first generation and a urm will be a tip factor (the operative word being tip) It will not excuse less than stellar grades or SAT scores at the elite schools, as your application will be considered in context of the opportunities you have had. You may be the first in your family to go to college and your family could be self made millionares. That will not be looked at the same way as first gen from an improverished background who works to help support the family</p>