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Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Michigan
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<p>I don't think you understand how the BCS works</p>

<p>You have the coaches and AP polls counting for 2/3 of the BCS rank. If WV/Louisville/Rutgers goes undefeated, then there is no way UM will still rank ahead of them, both the Harris poll and the USA Today poll will put WV/Louisville/Rutgers at #2. The media has always done it like that.</p>

<p>Then the computers come in for the other 1/3. The computers give you points for wins, opponents total wins, and wins over top 10/top 25 opponents. Then they average out. So a team with a 9-0 record would have that as part of their computer grade, and the other 9-0 teams would have that as well. Then they take the opponents record, group together, assign rating. Then they take top 10/30 wins, group together, get rating. You add it up, you get the overall rating. Blah blah blah, confusing</p>

<p>Anyways, as of now, the computers have WV/Louisville low because of who they have played. Their wins are top tier, however everything else is lacking. After they have themselves on each others schedules, then their ranking will go up, as their schedule rating will go up (they will add each other's record onto their schedule strength), and they will have a victory against a team in the top 10/30, and that will go up as well. In a nutshell, playing a top opponent helps them tremendously in the BCS, and the winner of the game will increase their rating dramatically. Then if they beat Rutgers as well, that will be increased too. </p>

<p>Inversely, Michigan will also go down after their losses to Indiana and Ohio State, as losses are discounted. They will have worse records against top 10/30 teams, their losses will put them in different groups with different ratings, etc. They will then be grouped with the 10-2 teams, their schedule may actually go up due to the wins, bu their losses to the top 10/30 teams will hurt that part of their schedule.</p>

<p>In conculsion, and for those who don't want to understand all that's above, if West Virginia wins out, the computers will help them, they will be in the NC, and the loser of the UM/OSU game will be looking for an at-large birth.</p>

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<p>However, if OSU loses, there is still a chance for a rematch. Here is what Jack Carey of USA Today wrote in his article:</p>

<p>"There appears to be a possibility, however, that if the Buckeyes lose that game, they could drop only one spot, setting up a rematch with the Wolverines for the national title.</p>

<p>A somewhat similar scenario to that occurred in 2003 when Oklahoma lost to Kansas State in the Big 12 championship game but remained No. 1 in the BCS standings by virtue of its strength in the BCS' computer ratings."</p>

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<p>"Michigan will also go down after their losses to Indiana"</p>

<p>Keep dreaming.</p>

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<p>A2Wolves, I understand the way the BCS works. For one thing, the AP is no longer part of the BCS equation. They pulled out of it a coupleof years ago when LSU was left out of the championship game despite its 12-0 regular season record. Secondly, I firmly believe that the Big East is going to be penalized for its weak schedule. And don't worry, Rutgers, Louisville, West Virginia and Pittsburg all play each other in the next 4-5 weeks, so you can be sure there are going to be plenty of losses. And don't forget Cinci...they have a pretty decent team. They lost at Louisville by a mere 6 points, they kept it close in the first half against OSU and they beat Syracuse. </p>

<p>Finally, I hope you don't seriously think Indiana is going to beat Michigan! Hehe!!! Bring it on!</p>

<p>On a more serious note. I heard some very distressing news today. Mario Manningham is practicing again and according to coach Carr, he is running nicely. Hey, I said it was distressing, I did not say for whom! Hehe!</p>

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<p>Against MSU:
Hardy: 6 Rec. 83 Yards 4 TDs
Manningham: 3 Rec. 75 Yards 2 TDs</p>

<p>Oh no, so scared.</p>

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<p>ah a funny guy eh</p>

<p>Wisconsin 52
Indiana 17</p>

<p>Michigan 27
Wisconsin 13</p>

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<p>A2Wolves, why compare Manningham to Hardy in one game?</p>

<p>Manningham
6 games played
24 receptions
527 yards
22 yards/reception
9 TDs</p>

<p>Hardy
7 games played
33 receptions
420 yards
13 yards/reception
8TDs</p>

<p>But you cannot ignore the fact that Henne also throws a lot to Arrington and Breaston, and has one of the nation's top 10 RBs averaging over 120 yards and over 1 TD each game. </p>

<p>At any rate, the real difference between Michigan and Indiana is defense. I personally cannot imagine Indiana scoring more than 10 points on Michigan's Defense.</p>

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<p>Needless to say our coach was in his first week back to work for the Wisconsin game after his brain surgery. Since that point we've been good.</p>

<p>Manningham and Hardy haven't played the same competition. Compare against similar competition (MSU) at times where both teams are at their peaks rather than against different competition over the entire season where the circumstances aren't the same.</p>

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<p>A2Wolves, Hardy isn't in the same league as Manningham. You know it and so do I. Against Wisconsin and Notre Dame, two top 15 teams with 7-1 records, Manningham caught 11 passes for 250 yards and 5 TDs.</p>

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<p>If a Big East team earned a spot, could you imagine how overwhelmed they would be? Neither WV or UofL have played a team of OSU/Michigan caliber. They would get killed. Either Ginn would burn them on every play or Woodley would annihilate their QB.</p>

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<p>Super Mario back for this weekend?</p>

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2644413%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2644413&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I'm still not sold, but I'm confident he'll be back for IU.</p>

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<p>I agree. I don't think the coaches should rush into it. Ball State should be relatively easy. We should just pound it in and give Breaston, Mathews and Arrington more experience. It would be nice to have Mario play a couple of series, if only to get back into it, but I don't think the coaches should push it. Against Indiana, Manningham will have to be set free if he is to be effective against OSU. First of all, you can expect Henne and Mario to be rusty after a 5 week break. Secondly, after such an injury, athletes tend to be circumspect and overprotective of their bodies. A couple of physical plays against Indiana should give Mario the needed confidence.</p>

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<p>Watch one IU football game and then make that statement. I've actually seen both play, in person. Both have similar statistics. Both play in the same conference. Both put up big numbers. Hardy is a better NFL prospect, he has a unique combination of hands and size that few have, and even last year he had better numbers than Mario did. And Hardy does it even though the defenses key on him. You key on any player on Michigan's team and you will be killed, you have Breaston and Hart who can kill you, but if you shut down Hardy, you shut down IU.</p>

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<p>Michigan is going into The Shoe 11-0 November 18th...enough said</p>

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<p>You are right in assuming I did not see Hardy play. I do know he is 6'7" though and I am well aware that the way Hardy goes is the way the Indiana offense goes. Which is why I don't think Indiana has much of a chance against Michigan. I don't think Indiana has an OL capable of containing Michigan's front 7 which pretty much means your QB won't have much time to throw. One-dimentional offenses seldom do well against Michigan. As for Manningham vs Hardy, I guess time will tell who is the better WR.</p>