<p>Can anyone post the full list of 2009 US News undergrad business school rankings? Thanks.</p>
<p>lol, Buy it yourself! ;)</p>
<p>bump...............</p>
<p>I think we can make an accurate prediction.</p>
<p>Best</a> Undergraduate Business Programs - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report</p>
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Best Colleges 2009
Best Colleges Specialty Rankings: Best Undergraduate Business Programs
Ranked in </p>
<p>1 University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 4.8156
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, MA 4.6192
3 University of California--Berkeley Berkeley, CA 4.4475
University of Michigan--Ann Arbor Ann Arbor, MI 4.4366
5 New York University New York, NY 4.3038
6 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 4.1725
University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 4.1704
University of Texas--Austin Austin, TX 4.1836
University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 4.1776
10 University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 4.0672
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<p>Anybody feeling generous?</p>
<p>Oh, man, what a joke.</p>
<p>bioeng,
The USNWR ranks are completely determined by those in the cloistered world of academia. The scores and the ranks likely have as their basis considerations such as how many times ABC College has been in the academic journals or how many academic-community awards XYZ University has collected. If that is what is important to you as you evaluate different undergrad business schools, then go for it. But don't be fooled. The USNWR academia-only rankings are NOT about business and how employers view graduates of various colleges. </p>
<p>Business Week also publishes rankings for undergrad business schools. While their methodology is also flawed in some respects, BW at least tries to incorporate the views of the various stakeholders in undergraduate business education, including students, faculty and employers. Below are the 2009 and 2008 BW rankings:</p>
<p>2009 BW Rank , 2008 BW Rank , Undergrad Business School</p>
<p>1 , 2 , U Virginia (McIntire)
2 , 3 , Notre Dame (Mendoza)
3 , 1 , U Penn (Wharton)
4 , 6 , U Michigan (Ross)
5 , 7 , BYU (Marriott)
6 , 11 , UC Berkeley (Haas)
7 , 9 , MIT (Sloan)
8 , 4 , Cornell
9 , 5 , Emory (Goizueta)
10 , 10 , U Texas (McCombs)
11 , 13 , Villanova
12 , 20 , U Richmond (Robins)
13 , 12 , U North Carolina (Kenan)
14 , 21 , Wake Forest (Calloway)
15 , 8 , NYU (Stern)
16 , 15 , Wash U (Olin)
17 , 14 , Boston College (Carroll)
18 , 24 , Miami U (Farmer)
19 , 22 , Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
20 , 16 , Indiana U (Kelley)
21 , 17 , USC (Marshall)
22 , 18 , U Illinois
23 , 28 , Babson
24 , 19 , Georgetown (McDonough)
25 , 33 , U Washington (Foster)
26 , 25 , Lehigh
27 , 34 , Northeastern
28 , na , American (Kogod)
29 , 47 , U San Diego
30 , 29 , W&M (Mason)
31 , 23 , SMU (Cox)
32 , 35 , UC Santa Clara (Leavey)
33 , 30 , Bentley
34 , 32 , TCU (Neeley)
35 , 43 , U Maryland (Smith)
36 , 26 , Rensselaer (Lally)
37 , 31 , Texas A&M (Mays)
38 , 38 , Penn State (Smeal)
39 , 41 , Case Western (Weatherhead)
40 , 37 , U Wisconsin
41 , 27 , Fordham
42 , 59 , Ohio State (Fisher)
43 , 42 , Boston U
44 , 54 , James Madison
45 , 36 , Baylor (Hankamer)
46 , na , Chapman (Argyros)
47 , na , Ohio U
48 , 40 , SUNY-Binghampton
49 , 52 , Syracuse (Whitman)
50 , 49 , U Miami
51 , 55 , Georgia Tech</p>
<p>hawkette, </p>
<p>a number of faculty at most, if not all, business schools (topnotch or otherwise) are experienced businessmen or have solid experience in the corporate world. They're not just hired because they've got sterling academic accomplishments, but also they're successful people outside of the academe. </p>
<p>Also, the BW ranking is far from being reliable. I mean, who would think McIntire and Mendoza are superior business schools than are Wharton, Sloan, Haas, Ross and Stern? Aside from that, the ranking is quite inconsistent. For example, Haas was ranked number 2 in 2007. The following year it slip to number 11. How can a school losses so much quality in just a span of 12 months? </p>
<p>The USNews isn't perfect either. But at least, its ranking is more reliable than the BW ranking and it reflects more than the BW does in terms of how the top students and the employers view the value of the business schools in the US.</p>
<p>RML,
I think that you greatly overrate the business acumen/experience of the permanent faculty of ABC Undergrad Business School. Many of these colleges will bring in visiting professors and the like from the world of business and these folks can definitely improve the student’s classroom experience, but I think you will find that the permanent faculty is mostly removed (and perhaps many years removed) from the day-to-day management of any for-profit enterprise. </p>
<p>One positive, however, of the business school faculty vis-</p>
<p>RML,
Re your statement about other top business schools (Wharton, Haas, Stern, etc.) and how they compare to McIntire (U Virginia) and Mendoza (ND), I’m not sure why you feel that Wharton, Haas et al are better. IMO, McIntire and Mendoza both do an exceptional job (as do Wharton, Haas et al) in turning out superb graduates. How are you differentiating among these undergrad business colleges?</p>
<p>As for the year-to-year change in rankings, I actually like this aspect of the BW rankings. I am far more interested in the stakeholder’s experience than in the nebulous, stagnant opinions of unknown academics. IMO, the static approach of the USNWR PA approach perpetuates a status quo that is unhealthy and not necessarily reflective of what an undergraduate student will experience today at ABC College. </p>
<p>College rankings (of all types) should fluctuate more on an annual basis as a realer-time reflection of how these schools are viewed by students, faculty, employers, alumni. If colleges are not delivering a quality experience to their various stakeholders (students/alumni/faculty/employers), they should pay a price for this in lower rankings. Likewise if they do a good job, this should somehow be reflected in the rankings. That is America.</p>
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How are you differentiating among these undergrad business colleges?
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<p>There are criteria that would help us determine which amongst McIntire, Mendoza and Wharton, for instance, is the better undergrad business school. The most common of these criteria are academic prestige (subjective but very important), faculty caliber, facilities, student selectivity, opportunities after graduation provided by the school and curriculum. Basing on these number of criteria, I honestly don't know in which area(s) would McIntire or Mendoza would be better than Wharton.</p>
<p>USNews ranks prestige, and is fairly accurate in that regard.</p>
<p>BW attempts to rank quality, which is kind of pointless seeing as the decision of which factors should be included in the calculation (and more importantly, their relative weights) is very subjective. For example, someone who puts a lot of weight on selectivity (quality of student body) and career options would never have BYU ranked ahead of Sloan/Stern in terms of quality.</p>
<p>BW attempts to rank career preparation more than anything else.</p>
<p>lol ... why would you think that?</p>
<p>wooooh i got into #27 under grad B school in the US
not bad for an average high school kid.</p>
<p>jnpn, compare last year's BW rankings to this year. You'll see the schools that saw significant climbs/drops were the result of senior class responses to employment surveys.
Look at Wisconsin's perpetually low BW rankings compared to US News and their rep. Or schools with supportive alumni bases like Notre Dame and Richmond's ranking in the opposite manner.
Not anything wrong with that. In fact, I follow BW's more than US News. A huge part of attending a business school is the recruitment factor.</p>
<p>Yeah, I think the recruitment factor is #1... and USNews is by far a stronger reflection of the quality/quantity of job options for graduates of these various schools. Comparing the two top 10s, I don't see how you can even debate that. For the most selective jobs in business, do you really think Notre Dame is recruited as heavily as Wharton? or BYU as heavily as Stern?</p>
<p>so nobody has the top 100 business school rank by US NEWS? If someone does, could you tell me what position is Bentley ranked? Thanks</p>
<p>I think Businessweek is a valid source for a university ranking. Some rankings focus on certain stats and information that others don’t, and this is why it is important people consider all of them. USNWR is a very credible source, but this doesn’t mean it’s the only one who knows everything about every university. Businessweek is obviously considered, or people wouldn’t talk about it so mucht. It seems like a waste of time to me. You can argue that the “methodology” for one ranking is more accurate than another, but in the end, every source is going to be a little bias. It’s just like a brand. It’s really a preference. There is no right or wrong. </p>
<p>I’n the end, the people hiring you might be more familiar with BusinessWeek than USNWR (for example). Are you going to tell them, “Well my school was ranked a few spots higher on USNWR, so it REALLY is a good school.” </p>
<p>It’s dumb to argue which ranking is most important. They are all good to consider.</p>