***2018 National Merit Finalist Thread****

Recently received NMF letter. I wanted to ask if I should leave the college selection thing blank on my account. Right now I have it as USC, but I won’t know where I’ll be going for sure until late March/early April. I’m worried that on March 1st, they’ll send this to USC and I won’t be able to change it once they award the scholarship. Especially if I end up attending another school that has national merit scholarships. At the same time, I’m worried they’ll run out of scholarships if I’m not in the first batch sent to the college.

Also, if I end up not choosing a school with national merit scholarships offered, would I leave my first choice college selection as blank to get the $2500 from the NMSC or put the school that I’ll be attending?

Thanks!

Congrats to everyone who received great news! DS and I were away at Explore USC for much of last week so I was prevented from obsessing over not receiving notice from his school or National Merit Corp. His friend, the school’s only other semifinalist, texted him on Friday Feb. 16 that they’d both moved on to NMF (he wasn’t supposed to tell as their principal wanted to present the certificate to DS). So we knew on Friday, although we didn’t receive the letter until Saturday.
I’m posting because DS had a semester C in a class that our district requires for graduation (but would probably be considered an elective anywhere else). There has been a lot of speculation about the effect of a semester C, and whether or not it would keep a student from reaching NMF. At least in my DS’s case, it didn’t bump him off. It’s been a long ride for many of us. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

I have the same questions as @ZeroKelvin. It has been very confusing to me! Would love to hear other perspectives.

@ZeroKelvin to my recollection when my D15 got the NMF Presidential at USC, there was no issue of their “running out” of NMF scholarships. She was admitted, and she had until a certain date to list USC as first choice with NM. Check with USC, they were very helpful with us. I would call the FA office and ask.

Did any international students receive their NMF notification. My school is not saying anything about receiving NMF here in India, plus we did not get a letter at home also.

Anyone abroad receive the NMF letter by mail.

Today was the first day that you could actually call MSC and find out if you had qualified. Their number is on their website. I would try that instead of waiting for the mail

Thank you @Phlipper. Will do that.

For highly selective schools (e.g. Ivy League) that do not provide NM scholarships, is it still worth it to send some sort of update if an applicant has moved from NMSF to NMF status? Does this strengthen an application or is it not important given the high percentage of NMSFs who become NMFs? If sending an update, would you do so in letter form or just send the certificate through the portal?

@momofcollegebound Definitely tell them.

My daughter finally received her letter at home (we were gone last week and had our mail held until today) and it definitely indicates the $2500 NMSC scholarships are awarded proportionally by state. I don’t recall if we had ever determined that for sure in this thread but I wanted to make a note of it in case anyone else was wondering and hadn’t noticed that.

@iahomeschoolmom I saw that also.

Interesting that progressing from NMF to a “Scholar” is to a large extent based on 1) what state you live in, 2) who your parents work for, or 3) what college you choose, as opposed to being solely about academic achievement.

Makes me glad most of the good stuff comes from being an NMF by itself.

@xxyyzz00 - Factors not considered - Barrett at ASU provides priority registration all 4 years, guaranteed housing all 4 years and requires a thesis. It probably comes down to hot and dry vs hot and wet climate :slight_smile:

Yes, I am an ASU alum (MBA) and my son will soon graduate from Barrett, so I am clearly biased. ASU is a great school.

University of Texas At Dallas National Merit Preview Day Report

It was expected to be a rainy day but thankfully the rain held off which made the campus tour much more enjoyable. I’ve thoroughly research UTD and wasn’t really sure that I’d get anything out of this visit, this visit was for DS18 to make sure this is really where he wants to go. He’s done his own research and visited campus when he was a sophomore but a lot can change in two years. I’m happy to say that he just lit up the second his foot hit the campus! He quickly made friends with some of the other National Merit kids. One in particular shared his major and is also a McDermott finalist! By the end of the day they had already made plans to room together and formed a group chat with others.

The day went as expected with talks and tours and a small meet and great session with a professor.

The things that I think DS was most impressed with were the dorms (UTD has some of the nicest college dorms I’ve ever seen!), his meeting with the Comp Sci Honors professor and the opportunities that will be available to him, research, internships … he also liked the student union and the 24 hour honors lounge with free printing.

I enjoyed talking to the current NM students and found it reassuring that, yes, the scholarship really does cover all their expenses. I was also impressed with how they encourage the kids to engage in social activities and really getting to know their professors. There is even a fund set up where honor students can take their professors out for a meal and the college pays for it! They encourage the kids to explore Dallas and offer group outings to the opera, orchestra, ballet and students can sign up for two free tickets a month if they want to take a date or just go with a friend. They have various social actives for the honors students throughout the year aimed at polishing their social skills for interviews including a ‘mocktail party’ where students can practice mingling and making small talk, “with a drink in their hand”.

It was also reassuring to hear from the current NM students that they truly feel supported by the honors college. Because of early registration they usually get 100% of the classes they want and in a few instances that didn’t happen the honors college was able to contact the professor and get a seat added. This is a huge perk for NM kids!

They are also making some changes to the Clark summer pre-college research program and more than doubling the number of students accepted! I was thrilled to hear about this as it increases DS18’s chances for acceptance. The program covers all fees, room and board and even a very small stipend. The down side is it will be the entire summer. If DS gets in he will graduate on May 25th and he would have to move into the dorms at UTD on June 3rd so one week between high school and college but he really, really wants to do this.

I also felt that the current students were very honest with their answers about UTD. At one point the there was discussion about the school food and they said that during the week is was pretty good but not during the weekend. The cafeteria has very limited selection and other on campus restaurants close early on the weekends but they said it’s no big deal as after your freshman year most of them move into on campus apartments with kitchens anyway and many eat out off campus on the weekends. I thought the cafeteria was good and they had a great variety. DS20 was AMAZED at the variety of food, he attended a 3 week summer camp at UTD last year and he said during the summer they had only three or four entree options.

One thing I learned that DS18 is going to have to be proactive about is early advising. I asked about honors freshmen advising because it’s very different than regular advising/class registration. For the regular students they go to an on campus orientation usually in May and during this orientation meet with an advisor and register for classes. Honor students register before regular students and their orientation is just before move in day in August. Advising and registration is all on line and via email. I spoke to a current MN student about how his freshman advising went and he said he was unclear that he was supposed to seek out advising and ended up registering for some redundant classes his first semester.

I did ask about scholarship taxes and was politely told that was a personal issue and not something the university would discuss. It was the answer I expected but not what I wanted to hear.

I like that they encouraged the kids to look at other schools and not to come to UTD just for the money, it’s different from most colleges because it has no football team and never will but they are very proud of their chess team;-) They understand that UTD is not for everyone and there was zero pressure to attend. This was so different than when I did NM day at OU with DD16 and by the end of the day felt like I had been at a peep rally!

All in all I was very pleased with the day, next week it’s back to UTD for the McDermott’s finalist weekend.

@3scoutsmom, thanks for the report and glad your sons had a good day! My S will be happy to hear about the Clark info and also about the better food selection during the regular semesters. He was fine with the food this summer but said it was a little limited based on what he remembered from our family’s visit during the school year.

To chime in on the weekend food options, our family was on campus Saturday February 10 for S to take the CS Scholars entrance exam. The on-campus food choices definitely were limited. Some places were closed all weekend, and others had limited hours. There are lots of food choices off campus though probably most students would not consider them walkable. We ate at Torchy’s Tacos about a mile from UTD and the crowd appeared to be mostly students. It reinforced our decision for S to have a car on campus from day one.

@3scoutsmom, thanks for the trip report & I’m glad to hear that your son had a good connection with the other kids.
We’re (D18 & myself) flying in for the March 9th Preview Day; so a couple of questions if you don’t mind:

Is there a formal part of the day or is this basically a jeans and tennis shoes kind of a day for the parents & kids? We’re not exactly sure what to pack at this point.

Anything else you can think of that we might need to bring with us? We’re actually flying in a day early so that D can attend a class on campus on the 8th & so we can look around the local area. We’ll be staying overnight in a hotel on the 7th/8th/9th and then flying out on the 10th (Sat).

THANK YOU!!

No fancy dress, DS wore what he usually does to school, a button down shirt over a tee-shirt and jeans. Others were much more causual (like they just rolled out of bed!)

Pack and umberlla and a jacket or coat! Even though UTD is in Texas it’s up north (for us) and it can be freckin’ cold!

We went out to eat at burger place called Twisted Root near campus, interesting place with some good “adult” milkshakes:-)

Get to campus a little early for the best parking. Driving in Richarson was fine but, Dallas has some very agressive drivers!

Thanks @3scoutsmom for the detailed report. We’re also considering a visit and am figuring out when to go. Do you know if there is a grading curve in undergrad? I’m curious if most of the kids are “nerdy” and everyone scores 95% and one kid scores 93%, does he get a D?

@xpd600090 my experience with DD16 at the University of Oklahoma is that each professor sets grading standards for their own classes. I do know that the comp sci department does have an attendance policy so you can’t just show up for tests and pass the class (something my DH claims he did back in the day).

Although there are many really high achievers at UTD there are also several transfer students from the local CC so I don’t think a grading curve is a huge issue. Maybe in honors level classes?

@xpd600090, “nerdy” does not equal stellar grades, and UTD is not a selective admission school. There will be a range of academic ability and room for everyone to learn. It will not be so cutthroat that a 93% is a D.

Does the first choice college matter for the $2500 scholarships from National Merit Corporation?