<p>howdown! THANK YOU! It is so refreshing to hear from someone, who believes there is a better way, and has incorporated that into their life.</p>
<p>I second that!</p>
<p>I want to throw something else into the discussion. Hoedown, that was wonderful. In our win at any costs society, the advantages of living within a system of honor get lost.</p>
<p>I was struck by something else in the Duke article. What is cheating, exactly? In these days of study groups and writing centers what is plagiarism? If you are taking calculus, and you work with a study partner, basically working the problems together, learning together - does that violate the honor code? Only if you "grade" each other's homework and assign grades? Do you as the grader point out mistakes, ever, or only after the grade is assigned? Could part of the problem with the code be that it is not explicit enough, or is being applied over too wide a range of situations. Or is it a "community" thing, where a large, diverse community like Duke just can't adopt such an individual dependent standard in the way a small, more cohesive school can?</p>
<p>"I know what pornography is when I see it."</p>
<p>cangel,</p>
<p>in my experience, successful honor codes are pretty explicit about things like this. Professors specify, and students want to know, so no one gets caught up in a technicality. A professor can lay out in advance what's okay. For example, some problem sets might be "pledged" which means you do them alone, and sign them as having been something you did without assistance. Others are not pledged, and you can work together on them.</p>
<p>Go Northwestern!</p>
<p>You can fancy it up all you want but the Honor Code is really very simple: </p>
<p>I will not Lie, Cheat or Steal. Nor will I tolerate anyone who does.</p>
<p>I was surprised to find that Bryn Mawr and Swarthmore weren't on the list. Along with Haverford, each of these schools takes its honor code VERY seriously. My D is at Bryn Mawr and affirms that moral and academic integrity are at the center of the academic and social atmospheres of the school. That's one of the things that attracted her to Bryn Mawr in the first place. Bryn Mawr students tend to be very intellectually curious, valuing learning for its own sake. D also reports that there is very little competitiveness there, and that students tend to support one another and work together very well (at least she's found that to be true of both the math and physics depts.). Bryn Mawr also has one of the highest percentages in the country of graduates who go on to earn a terminal degree. The above list seems only partial at best.</p>
<p>I've always loved Caltech's honor code: "No member of the Caltech community will ever take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community." That way it can be applied to everything from cheating on an exam to leaving the common areas a mess for the cleaning staff to deal with.</p>
<p>Go Princeton lol</p>
<p>The virtues of honor and integrity were at the core of Roman civilization. It may be THE reason the empire lasted so long (until the opposite set in -- decadence),</p>
<p>Virtue and honor are making a comeback in society. We are seeing a backlash.</p>
<p>Wish I believed that, alphacdcd. I haven't seen a lot of evidence of it.</p>
<p>I believe it does. Unfortunately, the news these days seems preoccupied with the negative. When do the ever highlight honorable behavior? These things happen every day.</p>
<p>I was just reading an online journal from one of my favorite standups (<a href="http://www.birbigs.com%5B/url%5D">http://www.birbigs.com</a>), and came across this description of the honor code at William & Mary. </p>
<p>"William and Mary Rules
This month, I performed at the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia- which is one of those towns where they recreate Colonial Life for the benefit of children under 10 and retired people. This has replaced Illinois Institute of Technology as my favorite college because its the only place where you can go to college and get shot by a cannon at the same time. I also noticed that there was a cafeteria with no checkout ladies and when I asked why, they said they have an "honor code" which means you have to pay for things on your honor, or, in my case, dont pay."</p>
<p>Darn Brooklynites, screwing everything up. BTW he's a Georgetown grad.</p>
<p>You see! Even comedians make fun of honor and virtue. But I still believe we have a silent majoity in this case. People are fed up with the decadence they see in society. Honor and virtue are the hallmarks of a powerful civilization.</p>
<p>Mensa, you may want to read the Templeton Honor criteria here.</p>
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<p>Wasn't John Templeton himself knighted by the Queen recently?</p>
<p>Stop bumping this thread, no one wants to hear your Princeton trolling anymore</p>
<p>Okay Byerly</p>