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<p>Probably because a moderator has clearly been in here recently and cleaned some things up.</p>
<p>aggie, if you follow the thread you will see that my comments were directed directly at the posted messages that discussed #3 of the OP’s questions. No more no less.</p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
<p>and then there is this by you:</p>
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<p>so now, according to you, if one doesn’t answer 100% of the OP’s questions, then one needs to take a writing course?</p>
<p>Is this what you are trying to say?</p>
<p>“Probably because a moderator has clearly been in here recently and cleaned some things up.”</p>
<p>dang, so I can’t be sarcastic or say “UT>Princeton” (according to US rankings of engineering)</p>
<p>ah well.</p>
<p>CSmajor, at the time, MIT gave as much scholarship as Princeton. A small loan, a little bit or workstudy and the balance a full scholarhip/grant.</p>
<p>thanks for asking though</p>
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<p>More likely is the fact that the post, with its UT>Princeton remark, was viewed as inflammatory (which is an easy conclusion to jump to) and so it, along with all of its “children” were removed.</p>
<p>My only problem with that is that this entire thread is ridiculous.</p>
<p>bone, ok, thanks…</p>
<p>Its good to know that Princeton’s 7th place ranking in the Aerospace Engineering for graduate schools is due mostly to the area of mathematical modeling. It must be a very important area in order for Princeton to be ranked 7th out of 55 universities in the Aerospance Engineering field.</p>
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<p>aggie, again more attacks by you…</p>
<p>Is it really that hard to understand that my comments are geared towards discussing Princeton because, as I have already specifically told you, my posted messages are in response to comments made about #3 of the OP’s questions - comments which were directed towards the Princeton Engineering Program in a very negative manner.</p>
<p>Is it really that tough to understand?</p>
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<p>aggie, and here is your first post on this thread, which is again an attack on me calling me a “fool”. And why did you call me a “fool”?..Because I copy/pasted the facts, the specific language of a poster, on this message board to prove a point, which was proven.</p>
<p>Why the unprovoked attack on another poster?</p>
<p>Why not just discuss the questions made by the OP, as you have claimed you wanted other posters to do?</p>
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<p>it was just Princeton being a semi-distant second to excellent Cornell. Not that terrible. Chill out.</p>
<p>lucky, bones posted messages regarding Princeton and its Engineering program speak for themselves. If you have forgotten them, then here they are again:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064628501-post77.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064628501-post77.html</a></p>
<p>If this is what you conclude from bones’ words about Princeton’s Engineering Program, then good for you.</p>
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<p>The engineering program isn’t that great. His opinion. Actually, kinda popular one. People don’t think “Ivies? Wonderful engineering!” they think “MIT? Stanford? Geogiatech? Wonderful engineering!”</p>
<p>Just, deal with it. Jeez. Not that negative, he’s not saying it sucks, it’s just not some of the best you hear of. You graduated from there? I get it, defend the school but at some point isn’t it just “well, that’s your opinion, I felt it was an excellent engineering program and should be an option when looking at engineering program” and leave it at that? It’s 8 pages now. Don’t you have computing work to do?</p>
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<p>Rest assured, happy, I do not blame you for the ridiculousness of this thread. You asked a completely valid set of questions. I can only hope that you got enough sane replies before the insanity kicked in.</p>
<p>Just to clarify:
- What are some LACs that offer good engineering programs? None except Harvey Mudd/Swarthmore.
- Is it better to attend a large university if one wants to major in engineering? Yes.
- Is engineering in Ivies relatively week? (I can’t believe I even spelled ‘weak’ wrong…blush). Weaker than MIT, Stanford & Caltech but the rest is full of confusion.</p>
<p>Well then happy, I will do a little reclarification:
- There are others I am sure, but those were the only ones mentioned. HMC isn’t really a LAC, so I am not sure if it even qualifies under your question. The real question is how good are you talking here? There aren’t a lot of LACs that offer engineering at the level of the big tech schools, but there are quite a few that have very solid programs, e.g. Bucknell.</p>
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<li><p>I wouldn’t say yes to this question. I would say it is all about what you are looking for. Yes, there are more large schools ranked highly for engineering than small schools, and this is largely due to the fact that engineering programs are expensive to maintain at a high level. However, MIT isn’t exactly a large school, and no one disputes its greatness. Really, it comes down to preference. Where do you feel more comfortable and do you value the opportunity for undergraduate reseearch?</p></li>
<li><p>Ivies aren’t typically considered to be the strongest group of schools for engineering, but there are a couple that have good to great programs. I am not going any farther than that so as to not risk setting this thread off again.</p></li>
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<p>lucky, ok , thanks for the post saying that Princeton’s engineering program isn’t that great. Currently Princeton’s ChE. department is ranked 6th in the country, Aerospace Engineering is ranked 7th and Mechanical Engineering is ranked 10th.</p>
<p>Are you going to tell the professors and students in those 3 programs that they aren’t that “great”?</p>
<p>How about the heads of the departments of ChE, AE and ME in all the univerisities in the country that voted in the rankings because they believe that these 3 departments are ranked #6, #7 and #10. Are you also going to tell them the same thing?</p>
<p>How good does a department have to be, in your mind, such that you would not say that it “isn’t that great”?</p>
<p>Princeton currently has the fourth highest ratio of Members of the National Acedemy of Engineers to Engineering Students, surpased only by CalTech, MIT and Stanford of all the Research Universities in the world,and twice as much as the U of Texas. Are you also going to say that same thing to these 25 engineerring faculty from Princeton that are members of NAE?</p>
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<p>I think that maybe there is a difference opinion (clearly), except not really based on the program but rather what actually constitutes “great”. It’s like asking someone if so-and-so is intelligent; some people have one kind of view over the matter and others have different ones (ie. if you can’t do math in a split second in your head, you aren’t smart, or if you’re unable to play musical instruments or do well in economics/literature/language then you aren’t considered smart, etc.).</p>
<p>Now if you’re saying that Princeton is one of those schools that you will never have a hard time finding a job (ceteris paribus, of course), then yes you are correct, Princeton is a ‘great’ school with a ‘great’ engineering program. However, if you’re going to divide up within the top tier programs in terms of research output (or something similar), then no Princeton will not live up to the same standards as GT, UIUC, MIT, CalTech, HMC, Berkeley, whatever, looking at it from a general perspective. Now if you’re going to look at something specific, like aerospace, well rocketDA clearly has experience as does bonehead in this area, so I value their opinions.</p>
<p>There are a lot of things that make Princeton great. There are a lot of things that make GT great. Same for CalTech, same for Harvard, same for UT Austin. And some of these things that some think are great will annoy others (like Princeton being a country club, honestly I can’t stand those caddy-driver lookin’ fools either). That is a matter of opinion and there’s just nothing you can really do about it. That is why people turn down MIT for Yale, GT for Berkeley, or Cornell for UGA. Different strokes, etc.</p>
<p>I hope I explained that well enough, because I think these are the things that a lot of people on these forums need to try and understand.</p>
<p>Why would anyone go to princeton for engineer program? I mean princeton is known for pre med/law, business and science… not engineer program. If someone has the caliber and intellectual mind to be admit to princeton as undergraduate student, I am sure he/she can easily transfer to MIT or Stanford if he/she firmly decide on engineer as career choice in the midst of his/her study at Princeton. Seriously, “I got my engineer degree from MIT” vs “I got my engineer degree from Princeton”… you kidding? </p>
<p>About UT vs Princeton for college, I am sure there are way more bright and determined students @ Princeton. But how well you did in high school doesn’t reflect your overall skill of outcome after college if he/she doesn’t receive the right education from right institution. I have no doubt that Princeton have great chemistry department. But as far as engineer degree goes, I am sure people will deem higher for school known for engineer program than just ivy tag. Although I wouldn’t go far as to say UT Austin is equal or better than Princeton, Berkeley degree probably outweight engineer degree than Princeton engineer degree.</p>
<p>“Why would anyone go to princeton for engineer program?”</p>
<p>Because Princeton is very good with Operations Research. Since Princeton is a “target” school for high-finance/I-Banking, you can basically get a MSE/MEng with taking almost exclusively Operations Research/Financial Engineering courses and if you don’t get into “Quant-land”…you would still probably get nice job offers just for having a Princeton engineering degree.</p>