@Hanna Oh, that’s interesting. People don’t always do the right thing.
What don’t you like about how the story is reported?
@Hanna Oh, that’s interesting. People don’t always do the right thing.
What don’t you like about how the story is reported?
But the college would have reason to ensure he was not the rapist of a fellow student and protect her from him if he was? And report him to the police in the jurisdiction where this occurred.
mom2and,
the wording in the article is a little tricky, which is why I ask. It says in one article that "the accused student eventually learned of the source of the complaint against him at all was “by accident and off-hand.”
and in another that he “was informed of the basis of the complaint against him only by accident and off-hand”.
They use the word “basis” and “source” of the complaint, not the “nature” of the complaint. So to me that sounds like he didnt find out WHO complained until later. Confusing.
@mom2and But, that’s easy to ensure, isn’t it? Not only does he not have a criminal record, we have the statement from an attorney who “assisted” him that he was found “completely innocent” of any sexual misconduct. And he couldn’t have been present at the rape 3,000 miles away, anyway.
Actually he could have been if he happened to also live in that area or was there on vacation during the period in which the rape occurred. It seems he was able to prove he was not.
You are correct jym; it is not clear, I interpreted that to mean he found out it was base on how he looked and prior to that only knew he had to stay away from student A because she made a complaint of unknown origin against him.
Thanks, mom2and. I’m thinking that if I am that student and I am going ot agree to severe restrictions that affect my access to my dorm, my job and my academics, I am going to want a little more information on who/what/when/where/how and WHY (thats a turn of a phrase, JOD, don’t dissect it).
I got the impression he had no choice for the investigation phase unless he wanted to leave school. But I guess it is an open question as to whether they said Student A made a complaint or there is a complaint so you have to change dorms, switch jobs, and only go to the cafeteria between midnight and 1 am.
My guess is they wouldn’t tell him who she was to protect her privacy but he somehow found out.
Even if he was ordered to stay away from certain locations, if it were me I’d be on the horn to my parents PDQ and they’d probably be making some phonecalls…
Thats how I initially read it-- that they didnt tell him WHO he was avoiding, but that there were certain locations he needed to avoid. Makes no sense. Cant imagine being in his shoes and looking at every student wondering who is afraid to be near him. Horrible.
Maybe…the story is false.
“What don’t you like about how the story is reported?”
It’s a blind item. One source, who was an advocate for one party. No quotes from direct participants, even anonymous ones. Only student editors (and they are law students, not journalism students). No names and no way for readers to verify anything, much less learn any other side or context of the story. Sloppy language in the piece.*
What’s to like about that? Why would you suppose you had all the pertinent information about a story reported this way?
*There is no such thing, to my knowledge, as a college or court finding someone “completely innocent.” They find them not responsible and/or drop charges. “Completely innocent” is how lawyers describe their clients.
For context, these are all people at my own law school, where I am president of my local alumni club, so I have no reason to run them down. I do, however, know how law review pieces are produced and the scrutiny they do and don’t get.
Well, its not April Fool’s day. Without any corroborating evidence being suspect makes sense. But why would a professor write about it in the Law Review. Then again, she did call it a Liberal Arts “University”, so we know she can’t be trusted with accuracy
“But why would a professor write about it in the Law Review.”
To support her point. I don’t think it’s likely she made the whole thing up. I’m saying that we have no idea whether she got critical facts right or whether other critical facts were left out. Did she attend hearings and see documents herself, or is she taking her client’s word for everything? We can’t know, so I don’t see how the story can enlighten us about what colleges are doing.
If we discovered colleges doing similar things as the professor’s story, that would enlighten us.
Of course, nobody has come up with a factual story so far.
But the hypotheticals are nice.
@dstark , the one thing that makes me think there’s something to the story is that a law professor was willing to put her name on the piece. But I’m sure that we don’t have the whole story. However – I think we can presume that the university did something that it doesn’t want made public. Again presumably, there are gag orders or we’d probably know much more of the story by now. And I think we can presume that the university purchased the student’s silence with a substantial sum of money.
If it did happen, we’ll probably hear more about it, although probably nothing official. Even if none of the parties are allowed to talk, it sounds like they cast a wide net during the investigation. I would think it’s a topic of conversation on campus, and they can’t put the entire student body under confidentiality.
Yes, hypotheticals are fun.
There’s probably some truth to that side of the reporting otherwise there is no need to even mention the issue as there are plenty of university bad decision making stories to point to that are already public. I also think there is enough anecdotal evidence and lawsuits currently and recently settled against colleges and universities to substantiate a claim that some colleges and universities are making poor decisions recently regarding their handling of campus personal issues between students. It’s possible some of this poor decision making has been going on for years, but in the current climate have simply been elevated to interest by the media, public and legal eagles.
Its an Oregon LAC. There arent too many of them. I didnt see anything in Reed’s online school paper. Anyone look at Lewis& Clark, Willamette, or the smaller schools papers (Warner Pacific, Northwest Christian, Linfield college, etc)?
I wouldn’t think it would be in the student newspaper, or any university publication at all.
Was thinking maybe an op ed comment. If a student is allowed to write anonymously, maybe some friend of a friend might write an opinion.