A tricky choice... Reed or Grinnell?

<p>Ghostt, thank you for giving an honest answer! It’s refreshing in this thread!
I felt a very strong sense of community when I visited Reed but I’ve heard so many tales of the “extreme” workload and kids not handling themselves, paired with a relatively low 6-year grad rate (is that even true?).</p>

<p>In your experience is it common for students to not graduate in 4 years? Similar to that, is the workload really that insane? I have good study habits and I’m really motivated, plus I just love learning stuff, so I feel like that applies more to students with a… questionable work ethic, haha.
Also, I’m glad you addressed the community issue. One of the things I was worried about (and I have no idea why) was a sense of isolation at Reed, or a lack of events and parties that bring the community together (Grinnell is sort of forced to do this, given its location). Can you speak to if there are lots of events on campus and a good sense of community there?</p>

<p>Thanks for the reply! I’m currently taking a gap year and Reed’s been my top choice since Senior year, so I was sort of thrown for a loop when I found another school I liked just as much, after I applied to Reed.</p>

<p>94% of freshman returned for sophomore year; 82% graduated within 6 years - both records.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.reed.edu/ir/cds/cds1314/cdssecb201314.pdf[/url]”>http://www.reed.edu/ir/cds/cds1314/cdssecb201314.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Without the WHY’S and DO NOT’S!!! thats gonna be hard…lol… just kiding…</p>

<p>The goal is the END GAME. A school with academic excellence, opportunities upon graduation, less debt etc. etc.
Both are great schools, but GRINNELL is the ULTIMATE winner here, even with a sucky location.
Just MY humble opinion.
Best of luck to you.</p>

<p>Huh, just never considered that taking longer than 4 years is normal!</p>

<p>ccco2018 I have no idea what you’re talking about…</p>

<p>I was also worried about the graduation rate when I was applying to Reed, but many people told me the same thing I’m going to tell you: As long as you are a hard–or even just consistent–worker and know what you’re doing, you’re going to graduate on time.</p>

<p>The reason some people take longer than 4 years to graduate is that they take time off and spread their eight semesters over more than four years. I think that’s more common than simply staying at Reed too long. In any case, the main reasons people take time off or struggle to graduate is that they don’t do their research/come to Reed for the wrong reasons and find the actual academic expectations too high; that they want to take time off for their own sake, to do non-academic things they find exciting or for their health; and that they’re double-majoring or switch majors too late.</p>

<p>As long as you are willing to work every day and plan ahead, you will have no trouble graduating on time. The administration has been trying to raise the graduation rate; it’s in its best interests to make graduating on time as easy as possible, which is why you’ll find a lot of institutional support.</p>

<p>There are events and things to do pretty much all the time. I don’t know when you visited or how your host treated you, but normally finding people to hang out with is really not a problem, and simply a matter of willingness. I’m an introvert and it took me about a semester to really get going socially, but now I know and am on good terms with people everywhere on campus and wouldn’t feel awkward or unwelcome at any Reed party. Organizations that put on regular events where you might meet new people include the MCR (multicultural resource center), the theme dorms and language houses (I lived in the substance-free dorm for two years, which is the least threatening environment imaginable), the offices for institutional diversity and international students, the Feminist Student Union and various black and Asian societies, and student clubs like ARG, the bike co-op, etc. There are also plays and dance parties and comedy shows and open mic nights throughout the year.</p>

<p>The workload is serious, but it’s not unmanageable–otherwise no one would manage it. It varies from person to person, though. Some people take four or five classes every semester, load up on classes with professors who assign more reading and demand more/longer essays than others, and simply do more to prepare for class. Like, there’s always more work to do; if you feel like you need more work at Reed, it will immediately come to you. But then there are the people who only take as many classes as they need to meet their graduation requirements, use art and theatre (if they’re artists or actors) or language (if they know a language) to fulfill their group reqs, and pass their classes with little fanfare and comparatively little effort. If you feel you’re drowning in work, there are ways to take some pressure off. (Unless you’re a senior or a second-semester junior, in which case you’ll simply have to work all the time.)</p>

<p>Like, I’m not advocating taking the path of least resistance as it’s a problematic and risky strategy, but I’m trying to reassure you that there are ways to avoid expiring from work at Reed, at least until you’re a junior. They still require you to put in effort every day, and most people don’t take them anyway. But beyond a certain (high) baseline, Reed is as hard as you make it for yourself–and as rewarding. The two are directly proportional in my experience.</p>

<p>I think that covers all of your questions…? Sorry for the long response.</p>

<p>rhg3rd isn’t saying it is normal to graduate in more than 4 years. That six year statistic is provided in the Common Data Set for every college. It does end up that a lot of college students take more than four years for various reasons, though.</p>

<p>Scott, I have no idea why i feel this way but I think you need to go to Grinnell. I know that feeling of knowing that a place is righr for you…and i’m a big believer in gut reactions. I’m putting aside all of the ED ethics, whatever,as you note, it’s an insane system… not saying you <em>shouldn’t</em> honor this…but just that, wow, it’s another thread.</p>

<p>SouthernHope I appreciate the “gut-feeling” advice but I guess I made this thread because I feel that way about both schools :stuck_out_tongue:
I was (foolishly) expecting someone to come up with a really persuasive argument for one or the other… but I don’t think that exists, although Ghostt may have well just convinced me to make my deposit :)</p>

<p>When you say you aren’t “tricking” any schools, does Grinnell know you have the ED acceptance from Reed? If the answer is yes, then your statement is true. But if Reed knows about Grinnell, but Grinnell does not know you have an ED1 acceptance from Reed, then I think you are gaming the system somewhat (trying to be able to compare FA offers without be open with all schools involved).</p>

<p>Grinnell does know but it doesn’t matter, because I’m submitting my deposit for Reed today.
I’d like to thank you all for the advice and responses (even the nonsensical ones), and remind you all that this process is insane and ridiculous, so make the best of it (don’t take it too seriously, I guess. It’s all a mater of perspective).
Off to Reed 2018</p>

<p>Good luck at Reed. It’s a fine school, as is Grinnell. It’s good to have such fine choices.</p>

<p>Yes, I was pretty lucky this year</p>

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<p>Actually, there are effectively distribution requirements at Grinnell. Out of 124 credits to graduate, no more than 48 may be in any one department, and no more than 92 may be in any one division (division is one of humanities, social studies, science).</p>

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<p>Congrats on your choice. Enjoy Portland–it’s a great small city!</p>