Acceptable Language

Serious question: Why? What is it about it that makes it beyond the pale?

Not racist. Not misogynist. Not religious. Usually not aimed at someone (I agree that calling anyone a name is never acceptable, politicians excepted. :slight_smile: )

So why is that the one that is so much worse?

I curse when I’m driving and someone else pulls in front of me without using their blinker, etc. It just happens and I think my daughters learned the basic curse words from me that way! But, that’s in my car.

From casual observation, I do believe one thing. The general level of civility has gone down and the amount of bombastic behavior has gone up in this country the past year or so, generally speaking.

It’s been going on a lot longer than that. Ten years ago when my kids were in high school, I complained to the teachers about permitting students to use the ‘f’ word and the ‘mf’ word in school. I was told I was being culturally insensitive.

My kids and I were volunteering at a food bank when they were about 10 and 13 and there was a group of high school kids from a religious school that is not my religion (they wearing t-shirts and they were there as a group but I couldn’t identify a parent or teacher with them). They pretty loudly and very regularly used “Jesus Christ” as a swear word and it made me extremely uncomfortable - I’m a member of a protestant denomination.

I really wondered what to do about it because it deeply offended me and I didn’t want my kids to hear it - but since they were not Christian I guess they didn’t consider it a swear word so who was I to tell them that it’s inappropriate. Their faith doesn’t consider Jesus to be God, so I guess they weren’t technically using the Lord’s name in vain.

I ended up not saying anything but telling my kids after the 3 hour shift was over that the use of “Jesus Christ” is offensive and disrespectful and upsetting to me.

I still wonder if I should have said something to the kids using the words? It still bothers me. I feel like I failed at being a good parent and a good Christian.

ETA: Study showing swearing is a sign of intelligence:
https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists

@garland, it’s like obscenity - you know when you see (hear) it. I can’t believe we would have to explain why a word like that is offensive. :frowning:

It’s like that because you were told from the time you were tiny that it was a swear word or a “bad” word. It’s just 4 letters. It could have been “rock” that you were told was bad way back when. It only has significance and an offensive meaning if you choose to impart the word with that.

I just personally don’t get why some find simple words so offensive. I honestly feel like “shut up” is worse because of the meaning behind it and how it is used. That was something I didn’t allow my kids to use in our house. But it has nothing to do with the two words themselves.

I’m an offender. I swear a lot - especially these days.

Timely thread for me
 last night at dinner there was a woman at the next table (easily in her 40s and maybe in her 50s) who was regularly - and in a loud voice - using the F word, followed by words that described the male genitalia (and not the anatomically correct words), and others that I thought were inappropriate, considering there were young kids at every table except hers and mine. She was also drinking, excessively. When she stood up to drive herself home, I asked the waiter (who clearly knew her), if he thought he should call her an Uber. He thanked me for my concern - and said that’s just how she is.

Interestingly, it was clear from the conversation that this was a group of coworkers and one of their clients!!

My family teases me about having a mouth like a sailor, but this was inappropriate even in my book!!

Purely linguistically, if you use swear words left and right, it renders them meaningless. They’re supposed to convey very strong emotions, and that’s how I see highly educated people around me use them - rarely and appropriately.

Now don’t get me started on Russian swear words, their richness of expression is a stuff of legends :slight_smile:

Interesting discussion! I looked up “profanity” on the source of all wisdom, Wikipedia, and saw a couple of classifications of the functions of swearing.

  1. Abusive swearing, intended to offend, intimidate or otherwise cause emotional or psychological harm
  2. Cathartic swearing, used in response to pain or misfortune
  3. Dysphemistic swearing, used to convey that the speaker thinks negatively of the subject matter, and to make the listener do the same
  4. Emphatic swearing, intended to draw additional attention to what is considered to be worth paying attention to
  5. Idiomatic swearing, used for no other particular purpose, but as a sign that the conversation and relationship between speaker and listener is informal

Another narrows it down to three:

  1. Non-literal meanings
  2. Taboo subjects
  3. Emotions

To me it’s simple. Offensive language is offensive. It’s a form of bullying. It’s impolite. It’s uncivil. It’s unnecessary to make one’s point.

Again, I modify this statement by excluding milder, inoffensive words. It’s the f word the mf word, the c word and so forth, the really offensive ones I’m referencing.

My son came home from elementary school one day completely shocked. He said his teacher said the four letter “c” word. We talked about it a little bit and he had always heard that the c word was a word to never say. I started wondering and asked him to spell it for me. C-R-A-P

Haha. Even CC allows crap.

One of my kids did something similar talking about another kid in kindergarten saying the S word. I asked them to whisper it to me. It was STUPID. :slight_smile: But that is actually a more harmful word to say to another young kid than the other S word, IMO.

One day my then two-year-old said “Dimmit” and it immediately caught my attention. I asked her what it meant, and she said it meant she spilled something and was really mad. I think she may have overheard her father say something similar on occasion.

@doschicos Once again you have said what I was thinking only more clearly than I could have.

What’s fascinating to me is that some people can’t imagine that not everybody cares or is offended by “ inappropriate “ words. To them it’s unquestionably a bad thing and they are shocked that we don’t care if our kids use “bad” words anyplace other than somewhere like school where there are actual rules against it (which we expect our kids to follow)

One thing I can. not. stand. Is when men apologize to women (only
not to other men) for swearing. I can’t even tell you how disrespectful I think that is from someone who thinks they are being respectful.

Like our ears are virginal? :wink:

As far as I’m concerned, you can swear a blue streak if you’re around people who don’t care. But if you’re around people who do, or are out in public, I think it’s crass for you to do it. What’s hard for me to imagine is that people don’t “get it” (or care) that some people ARE offended by language like that.

My older kid uses the f word all the time. Apparently that’s the way all his friends talk. The younger one not so much. We asked them not to use it at home. I think it’s important to be able to code-switch. There are situations where you will be judged by your language. They are adults now and can make their own choices.

@college_query, thanks for this quote about different reasons for swearing.

If you had #1 happen to you as a child, or actually at any age, repeatedly, by someone you love or trust, it can linger. Those words can get associated with a person being out-of-control, abusive, violent. Of course, it’s also about tone, body language and actions, but for some reason abusers tend to swear at their victims, so a connection may form.

3 is also destructive and common.

If you only hear people swearing when they drop their coffee or out of conversational habit, I could see why you might not understand the strong reaction some have to those words.

One time when I was a very new engineer, my employer was slow, so they asked me to oversee construction of manholes and sewer pipes in our town. Like I knew ANYTHING about that - I’m a structural engineer! I was on site from October through January, in Maine. What a miserable experience. We had to have had record-breaking rainfall amounts - there was mud everywhere. The crew was incompetent and every other word was F. It obviously made no difference to them that I was female, ha. I would come home every night with that filth in my head. I am glad I never had to work in the field again!