<p>Our (quite large) school put in three years of Naviance data when they initiated the program. The only person I have ever been able to identify was the valedictorian from my son’s year who had the highest GPA in the history of the school. It was no secret he also got into every school he applied to.</p>
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<p>Taken aback, much earlier, by this strong comment, I decided to reread the thread. Either my research skills need improvement, or something has been removed, because I don’t see “bashing of rejected highstat kids.” I see bashing of rejected lowstat kids, and bashing of accepted lowstat kids. So perhaps someone can help me locate the missing info, if it’s still in the thread.</p>
<p>I saw one post where it was merely factually stated that one student did quite well on a score, but that the gpa didn’t match, hence the lack of surprise at results. I saw another post that stated factually that a weighted gpa cannot necessarily make up for a wide gap with the UW, based on the referenced results.</p>
<p>And setting aside any hooked factors at all (which the data does not locate), everyone needs to remember that the value of e.c.'s in general varies by type of, and particular, U or college applied to. Also that the particular e.c.'s can matter to a particular U, whether that’s a Reach school or not. This is one reason (among many) that on their face, superior stats do not necessarily admit one to the identifiable “Reach” schools. Again, I’m not casting a judgment positively or negatively on that, or on students affected by that, just that it is something to be considered when evaluating results.</p>
<p>Finally, because of my position, I’ve known students at all levels of stats who vary considerably in how well they craft the application & the essay. One of my students did such a poor job on his essay – and shrugged it off as a ‘trivial’ element of an app – that he failed to gain admission to the reach Publics that his classmates with lower stats were accepted to. Unlike him, they took the essay seriously and applied themselves carefully. That’s not “bashing” him and I hope that won’t consign me to Hell.</p>
<p>I would have loved to know the salary of my co-workers as I’m pretty sure I was underpaid in at least one office. It would have given me a much better basis for asking for a raise.</p>
<p>My impression from my son was that there was lots of sharing about where they were applying and where they got accepted, and some about grades and scores. I know my younger son said he thought he’d done poorly on the PSAT (where he compared scores with his big brother) and then was amused to discover that he had higher scores than any of his friends.</p>
<p>Slightly OT:</p>
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<p>When I read this, it just hit me how different DSs school/teachers are compared to some others. I don’t think it would occur to any of his teachers to ask how the students had done on the subject tests, and truthfully, I am not sure they even care.</p>
<p>DS was the only student out of 1500 seniors in my town who scored an 800 on the physics SATII. Never heard a word about it. Only student out of class of 500 who self studied and took the Calc BC AP exam (got a 5). Never head a word about it even from his Calc AB teacher who offered no help when DS told him he wanted to do BC. Never even got an answer to his e-mail to the Calc teacher when he wrote and offered to pass on the study book for the BC exam. This is at the ‘best’ HS in town.</p>
<p>Sorry if I sound like I am whining. The concept of teachers actually caring about how their students do on these exams just blew me over.</p>
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<p>I don’t know if you are still talking about the data in the link I posted. But if you are, I thought I wrote in a thread way back there someplace that you have to sign a form stating that you agree to having your stats posted in this matter. They do it every year, and the parents and kids find it extremely helpful. Everyone at the school is quite aware of this. Some kids likely do opt out. Now if you don’t read the form, that’s not the school’s fault, that’s your fault.</p>
<p>sorry to hear that, ihs. Even after graduation, my Ds teachers still keep in touch when possible; they continue also to remember an amazing amount of personal info about each of them. But then again, remember, this is a smallish school, as h.schools go.</p>
<p>When I arranged for a long-time high school reunion of my own alma mater several years ago, we eagerly invited the very retired teachers and were thrilled when one of them showed up, because similar bonds were also there – even though my own private high school (& class) was 4 times the size of my Ds’.</p>
<p>But yes, I do not necessarily find the same spirit at every private high school. Some are less personal or more competitive, regardless of size.</p>
<p>I don’t know whether USC does this at all but these kids live very near it. Maybe they just don’t want their class filled with LA county students only? Or LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino or San Diego? The same thing for Claremont McKenna- maybe they just want a more diverse campus? Maybe some of the schools had a history of students from that particular high school applying, being accepted and not deciding to attend? If they want to increase their yield, that may be a strategy.</p>
<p>FYI and if it matters - Brooklyn Tech is an admission by examination school.</p>
<p>epiphany - regarding your post #102.
I did not reply to any specific poster in this thread. What I mean is all the kids should be congratulated to go to the next step in their life, regardless whether the colleges they will attend are the desired ones or not.</p>
<p>In the country where lived before coming to the US, names and scores of all students who passed the HS baccalaureat were posted in the public places. Names and scores of all students who were admitted to colleges were also posted. We truly felt sorry for the unlucky ones. It was not a big deal for us to know the results and scores of other people. The parents did not compare the kids’ stats.</p>
<p>Sorry if I caused any misunderstanding.</p>
<p>Sorted by school name by weighted GPA by GPA. It seems to confirm that the class rank is the most important factor in the admission! SAT is not that much.</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://usa.kawarini.com/images/acceptance2010.xls]converted”>http://usa.kawarini.com/images/acceptance2010.xls]converted</a> from pdf to excel form<a href=“It’s%20a%20simple%20conversion%20that%20the%20columns%20after%20the%20weighted%20GPA%20are%20not%20aligned.”>/url</a></p>
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<p>Amen! And hopefully the destinations will be for them at least as good as “the desired ones.”</p>
<p>Thanks for replying. :)</p>
<p>Given the stats (GPAs, SAT/ACT scores, # APs), I’m surprised by the large number of students who got accepted at the most selective schools. They must have outstanding ECs or good connections.</p>
<p>Does Naviance even have the option to split out CR/M/W scores? I know my kids’s schools didn’t. They have eleven years of data in the system now, but split it into the old 1600 scores for the students through 2005 and then the 2400 scale for mid-2005 forward, but it just gives the total score (and it’s the highest single sitting score at that). GPA is shown in bands, so you can’t tell who’s a 3.83 vs. a 3.84. </p>
<p>Both schools are fairly large and the kids in the specialized programs shoot for the same cluster of schools, so it is almost impossible to identify a specific kid unless he/she is a true outlier. OTOH, one can also look at our schools’ Naviance and see that if you are rejected from HPY, you are FAR from alone, and in some darned fine company.</p>
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<p>Maybe that is why so many kids participate, even ones who don’t have stellar GPA/test scores.</p>
<p>On the privacey question
our hs will not allow the parents/students access to Naviance claiming privacey…</p>
<p>Interestingly, our student doesn’t know which schools classmates are applying to - nor the stats…
I heard that the class of 2010 top 10% all knew each others stats…and that according to a parent it was conductive to alot of competition…frankly that may not be a bad thing…</p>
<p>The class size averages 200. A neighboring private makes available the info and I can see it online–as a “guest”
and If a particular school has too few data points to be anonymous…then the Naviance indicates it and there is no info revealed.</p>
<p>I don’t see why our hs cannot provde the info for say the last 5 years or so—
I do think perhaps its because then parents will know how many places the kids DONT get admitted.
Our school profile online includes acceptances/attendance…AND it also does not tell # of percentage requied for an A- (93 for example) B etc…only weighting for GPA calculations. </p>
<p>A friend of mine said that is to hide the problems of low achieving athletes. I do find it irratating that my kids get papers with a letter grade and no # or percentage–
THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH X Factor/subjectivity involved…meaning if a teacher doesn’t like your kid–you cannot prove the grade deflation
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I have heard kids (football players) say they had very very low grades and no way earned the B they received!
The problem is there is no way to prove it—
anyway–I digress…</p>
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Our student said the problem with the Naviance is that outliers - athletes/legacies etc…are not indicated as such in that data when a student sees it and so only sitting with a GC, does kiddo learn what those dots mean. OTOH, anyone can see an outlier and “guess” there is a backstory and that strict stats didn’t open that door…</p>
<p>This kind of chart is helpful for that schools parents as it tells alot–more than stats, it includes ECs, Service etc…
I wish our hs had given us better direction. Its been quite disappointing given it’s a private…</p>
<p>Thanks for sorting this, flatland.</p>
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That’s sure what it looks like here from this data. It looks like if you want to get into an elite school you pretty much better have a 4.0 UW GPA and take a tough curriculum if you attend this school. Now that is probably some reflection of the grading scale here - at other schools it may be tougher to get an A so that threshhold GPA may drop a bit. And there are probably some schools where it is easier to get an A. Who knows?</p>
<p>Although a very small number of outliers seems to get in with lower GPAs it doesn’t seem like it necessarily has much to do with the SAT, although oibviously they need to be reasonably good. Maybe those kids have some other hook, or some other major national accomplishment.</p>
<p>Of course, we just have data here from two schools, so YMMV.</p>
<p>Sending another thank you to bovertine for posting this information. I shared it with S. It doesn’t change his application strategy but I think it has helped him to see kids with similar stats do indeed get denied at the reach schools on his list. I think he knew it intellectually, but to see the data makes it more real.</p>
<p>This is really helpful-thanks!</p>
<p>I will admit though that it makes me very curious! For example, which of those boxes with an X for research are for students who took that class and which is the student who was an Intel semi-finalist? Which of the students who are marked for FineArts took a couple art classes, and which one just performed at Carnegie Hall?</p>
<p>I’m guessing that some of the students with “quirky” results might have an amazing special talent that is not shown there.</p>
<p>After staring at the numbers for a while, I see one thing jumps out and that’s not a surprise at all. </p>
<p>To have a shot at the most selective colleges, one needs to take a lot APs, get an A in each, and have lots of spare time for other activities, preferably to do high quality research and help out the community. Who can do that? The most talented kids in a highly competitive high school. For those kids, SAT/ACT scores don’t matter because they can easily get high scores. Thanks again for the data.</p>