<p>@mekozak They do. However that information isn’t released publicly until much later. The most recent breakdown was in 2011, when the overall admission rate was at 42% and there were only about 39,000 applicants. In 2011, 56% of instate students, and 36% of out of state students were granted admission to Michigan. Now obviously those numbers will be much lower this year, but it still gives enough perspective to show that instate students get a very significant advantage in admissions.</p>
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<p>Well, maybe. But I’m still fascinated by the statistic cited by a top admissions officer, maybe even the director of admissions, that only about 10,000 Michigan residents apply each year. I think there’s a lot of self-selection going on here. Michigan residents seem to know that they need to be in the top 10% of their class with outstanding course rigor, top GPAs, and high-end test scores in order to have a realistic chance at admission. And if they don’t figure that out on their own, their GCs usually tell them. This shrinks the in-state applicant pool, and inflates the in-state admission rate because most of the Michigan residents who apply are well qualified.</p>
<p>I’m not saying there’s no advantage to being a Michigan resident, but it may not be nearly as great as one might think from looking only at admit rates.</p>
<p>Absolutely BCLinktonk, I have several cousins who grew up in Michigan. The general sentiment in their home when they are in high school was simple, if you did not have an A average in school with a solid ACT/SAT (25+/1200+), you simply did not bother applying. And that was back in the 1990-2000 period, when getting into Michigan (or any other university for that matter) was much easier. It is generally understood that only the very top students from the state apply. That explains the major difference in the acceptance rates. NExt year, I expect the OOS accpeptance rate to drop to the 25% range.</p>
<p>Does anyone know what the transfer application/acceptance rates were for this year?</p>
<p>bclintonk and Alexandre - you believe then that the average in state applicant then has higher qualifications/stats than the average OOS applicant?</p>
<p>I personally think so, but only marginally so. On its own, that certainly does not account for the difference in acceptance rate. Michigan will accept over 40% of IS applicants next year, and roughly 25% of OOS applicants.</p>
<p>The average in state having higher qualifications than the average out of state? I would think it’s the opposite…</p>
<p>We are talking about applicants, not admitted or enrolling students. I agree that the calibre of OOS students who are admitted and who enroll is, one average, slightly higher than that of IS students, but when it comes to the quality of IS vs OOS applicants, I give the slight edge to IS applicants because there is some weeding out that happens.</p>
<p>Alexandre, during the years I’ve been on these boards, we can count on you to provide intelligent, well-supported discussion and answers about U of M, so I’m surprised by your statement here that IS applicants are of higher caliber than OOS applicants. Many OOS students apply to U of M as a back up if they don’t get into an Ivy. With U of M’s acceptance rate quickly falling, and their selectivity rising, many OOS students don’t apply, knowing Michigan’s stellar reputation and that they have a small (25%) chance of being accepted. </p>
<p>And the opposite is true for accepted students - to get into U of M the bar is definitely higher for OOS students. You can see this in the posts of accepted students, whose test scores, GPAs and accomplishments are, on average, higher than accepted IS students. It seems a disservice to OOS students, applicants and accepted, to indicate they are a lesser caliber than IS students, when in fact, the opposite appears to be true. So for the first time ever, I respectfully disagree with you. But I still have the utmost respect for you. :)</p>
<p>Michigan is starting to liken the 55:45 IS to OS ratio.
Of course, the average OS student will be better than the average IS student since the university admits can find more high quality applicants outside the state than in the state in terms of absolute numbers. which is quite obvious since the total population in the state of Michigan is less than everywhere else.</p>
<p>It’s all good Sportsmom42. I do not disagree with much of what you say. I definitely agree that the standards for admitting OOS students, and ultimately, the quality of OOS students who enroll, is higher than their IS counterparts. I also agree that some very gifted OOS students apply to Michigan as a match/safety option, should Harvard or Stanford fall through, although the same can be said of a subset of IS students. </p>
<p>This said, I believe that the quality of IS applicants, on average, is stronger than that of OOS applicants. Part of it has to do with the fact that universities, even elite ones like Michigan, have regional reputations. In the state of Michigan, it is well known that Michigan is very selective. Many OOS students do not appreciate or realize just how selective Michigan really is. They take one look at the 50% or 40% acceptance rate and they automatically assume that it is easy to get into. That happens far more than you think.</p>
<p>Of course, if one considers that there are three times as many OOS applicants as their are IS applicants, the odds of getting in are definitely not as good for OOS students as they are for IS students, even for stronger applicants.</p>
<p>^I totally disagree with the IS/OOS applicant part of that. In my opinion the Michigan residents don’t appreciate how good of a school Michigan is. They actually think State vs. Michigan is even a decision to make in a lot of cases and don’t really appreciate or know the national reputation the school has because they haven’t experienced it. I think Michigan is still very desirable from coast to coast and draws a lot of elite applicants, whereas I think a lot of marginal students apply to Michigan in state because it’s just their state school.</p>
<p>^In a lot of cases State vs. Michigan is a decision to make…</p>
<p>Also, in my experience the in state applicants to Michigan were extremely qualified, and many of them did not get admitted. Most in state HS seniors don’t apply to Michigan because they know, (or think, at least) that they won’t get in.</p>
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<p>Whoa… that was certainly not what I experienced growing up in SE Michigan. An “A” average? Ha. And I graduated in 09. I had a D on my transcript and no one bothered to tell me not to apply. I got in. I probably wouldn’t now. </p>
<p>Yes, Michigan’s difficult to get in to but that was not anything like what I experienced. It was pretty much expected that you would get in with a 3.5+ and yes, solid scores. However, even below that wasn’t out of the realm of possibility. Again though, certainly not any kind of A average.</p>
<p>I will also admit that we have a blindness to Michigan’s rep. When I was thinking about choosing some grad schools over Michigan in-state, people thought I was crazy. It wasn’t until I talked to a bunch of OOSers that I realized it was a no-duh decision. But MSU vs Michigan is still definitely a decision that you have to make based on fit and the like. It’s up to the individual :)</p>
<p>^Now, to get into Michigan, you seem to have to hit above a 3.7+ range and the high 20s/low 30s at LEAST. And that’s for instaters.</p>
<p>^ I definitely wouldn’t doubt that now, but certainly not 10-20 years ago. Or even 5 years ago.</p>
<p>Agree, at our school it’s pretty much well known that you want at least a 3.7 uw and an ACT that is north of 27 to be competitive for admittance and even then it an depends on whether it’s LSA or COE etc. But State’s no walk in the park anymore either. My S3 has friends who weren’t admitted with a 3.5 uw and a 26 ACT to Michigan State.</p>
<p>North of 27 isn’t doing you any favors nowadays. The acceptance rate should hit 30% or so next year, you should be in the 30’s.</p>
<p>I would not take that bet^^.</p>