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<p>Polygraphs are not allowed in the courts of law where the standard is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. However, they are reliable enough to be used where the standard is “preponderance of the evidence”. They are often used voluntarily to provide convincing though not conclusive evidence of truth. </p>

<p>If the OP’s son has any reservations about taking one, that WF looks pretty good. If he is protecting the other cheater in anyway, then he has violated the honor code. But if he is truly innocent of all charges, then he most likely will pass the polygraph. This should be enough in light of other circumstances to dismiss the charges and let him finish the class.</p>

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We do NOT know that they studied together for the ONE test. In my last post I suggested that the same problem that caused the rescheduled test may have also prevented studying together for THAT one test where their results diverged, causing that divergence in results. Very plausable.</p>

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<p>Uh, I think you missed something in my post. You might need to read it again.</p>

<p>Cardinal Fang,</p>

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<p>I’m really glad you said this. Yes, we know that cheating happened at this point. She says in her post</p>

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<p>I would have expected her to say that her son was upset that somebody cheated from him, or confused as to why he got the letter, or though that he got the letter by mistake. Not quick to explain how there is no possibility to cheat or descriptions of where they sit in relation to one another or who watches them during the test. </p>

<p>I am pretty sure I’d to it to my parents and say “I don’t understand…this doesn’t make any sense.” And then my parent would have talked the professor and say “My son was confused as to why he got the letter, was it sent to the wrong person” rather than getting letters from the proctor assuring that no cheating had occured or requesting detailed information about the evidence that he had.</p>

<p>When I take exams, I usually am so focused on the exam I have no idea if there is a proctor in the room or not, and don’t pay attention to where we sit.</p>

<p>I read it again. You did say that they studied together for that test. OP did not say this. </p>

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<p>But if you want me to address the rest of the quote, Student 2 failing the test before Student 1 takes the test (successfully) does not say that Student 2 gave Student 1 the questions (and certainly not the answers :wink: ) If Student 2 was so smart as to memorize all those questions, he should have been smart enough to memorize the correct answers before the exam.</p>

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<p>I don’t think the OP ever clearly spelled out the relationship between the 2 students except to say that the other student is a graduating Senior and her’s is a Junior. Did not say they were friends that I remember.</p>

<p>So I wouldn’t expect outrage on OP’s son’s part. And with many youth, they do not base their friendships on common standards of behavior - many are live and let live types (I would never cheat, but if my friend turns up to be a cheat, I’m not going to lose sleep over it). Yes, many youths hold very strong convictions and hold their friends to those same standards, but not all work that way.</p>

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<p>We don’t really know this one way or the other, but it is plausible that the deadline was due to factors like a drop deadline or approaching end of the term rather than an arbitrary decision by the prof. Also, it seems that the WF rather than W was due to the withdrawal being past the normal withdrawal deadline. If that is the case then changing a WF to a W is the sort of thing that could be done by an appropriate appeals committee, but not an individual faculty member (although its hard to imagine a student making a compelling case for that when the reason for the withdrawal was that he was accused of cheating.)</p>

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<p>Which supports my scenario (and personal experience) that when they studied together they incorrectly learned the same material in the same way and reproduced that same incorrect understanding when tested (or in my personal experienced lab). When they didn’t study together (remember OP’s son had a scheduling issue for the test which may have also resulted in a lack of studying together) they would get different results based upon their own individual study.</p>

<p>I’m not going to fish through all of OP’s posts to determine all of the details of when they studied together, but I’m only suggesting some realistic possibilities that would correlate with the observed statistics (test scores) and be consistent with honesty on the part of the OP’s son.</p>

<p>My whole argument is that since the professor did not examine realistic alternative explanations for the score anomalies (OP’s son was never questioned) and jumped to the conclusion that he could prove with statistics that OP’s son had cheated, he is engaged in bad science. A good scientist makes sure that his/her subjects are truly independent before the experiment if s/he is testing whether they act together during the experiment.</p>

<p>In my opinion it’s a simple as this:</p>

<p>Is the proctor sure that no cheating was possible? If yes or no, was there any other way they could have cheated? If both questions come up as a no your son is clear.</p>

<p>Get the proctor to defend your son. Get a record of text messages or emails/however else they MIGHT have cheated. I mean if the proctor says they couldn’t have cheated and there aren’t any communication records of them exchanging answers, how could cheating have occurred?</p>

<p>The data shows that there was cheating during the test. The proctor was not aware of it.</p>

<p>When the proctor sees the new data, it is unlikely that he/she will be willing to defend students because the data is clear. It would be hard to defend one student over another student.</p>

<p>On a multiple choice test, if I were told that someone had the same wrong answers that I had, and I knew I did not cheat, I would not assume the other person cheated. I would assume it was a coincidence. </p>

<p>The proctor’s reaction was that he saw no signs of cheating, communicating, anything. That should carry weight as well. If the proctor had suspected something AND the answers were the same, that involves two separate indicators, and one would reinforce the other.</p>

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<p>Are you suggesting that the proctor trusts the statistics more than his/her own observation? </p>

<p>Given that the proctor was not made aware of the statistics during the course (probably should have to help in zeroing in on a potential problem), using the data to influence testimony is wrong on a lot of levels.</p>

<p>I’ve read through the whole thread.</p>

<p>As a college prof, I’m really conflicted about the issues it raises. [It does, however, confirm my own instincts of NOT relying on multiple choice tests. Free response questions are harder to grade, but easier to spot potential cheating in my opinion.]</p>

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<p>The idea of honor is really important to me: I don’t think that colleges (or high schools) should bear excessive responsibility to prevent cheating—on their <em>honor</em> we expect students to turn in work that is their own. Many honor codes require students to put into writing (or sign) a pledge that explicitly states they have neither received NOR GIVEN any help to another student on the test/assignment AND to the best of their knowledge they are unaware of any cheating on other students’ parts. Under this kind of an honor code, if the OP’s S knows or suspects the other student of cheating, then he’s obliged to come forward with what he knows or suspects.</p>

<p>A college’s system for resolving accusations of cheating and other forms of academic dishonesty is NOT a court of law. Never has been and never will be. So we can talk about “standards of proof of guilt” all we want, but the fact remains, that the college will have it’s own standard of proof and that that standard does not have to be as rigorous as the standard in a court—particularly a criminal court. The more relevant standard may be the standard that an employer must provide to fire someone “for cause” In other words, from the college’s point of view, disciplinary action against a student for cheating may well be more like a company taking disciplinary action against an employee.</p>

<p>In my own humble experience, most profs are reluctant to raise <em>formal</em> charges of cheating as they typically involve a significant amount of work to document and that documentation has to be provided to the student, the honor court (if there is one), the chair and/or the dean (if the college doesn’t have an honor court). The sad, unfortunate fact is that many professors will ignore routine, small amounts of cheating that are hard to prove: If you see really similar and weird errors on one or two free response questions that seem to indicate student A may have copied from student B, but the rest of the tests don’t look that similar, you give both students a 0 on that question and move on. Of course, the students pick up on this, and the worst cheaters (the ones who get caught) typically push the issue until it can no longer be ignored.</p>

<p>But trying to defend oneself from a cheating allegation of the sort that the OP’s S seems to be in is, alas, a difficult task: How do you prove a negative? Simply saying, “I didn’t copy and I don’t know how John Doe copied <em>all</em> of my work on three tests when the proctor didn’t notice anything,” doesn’t seem satisfactory, but how can you provide evidence that something <em>didn’t</em> happen and that you <em>didn’t</em> have any knowledge?</p>

<p>Enough of the statistics discussion, goaliedad. You have made your point and stated your opinion at least five or six times. It’s now time to move on.</p>

<p>It’s my intent to help the OP by discussion various scenarios so she can assess the likelhood of them and figure out what the best course of action. Let’s all focus on helping the OP.</p>

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Except I’m not the one arguing statistics, I’M ARGUING THAT THE EXPERIMENT IS FLAWED, which is NOT STASTICS, but basic science. </p>

<p>In fact, YOU and LG (and a few others) have been arguing statistics prove the case and even in the post previous to this you indicated that it would sway the proctor.</p>

<p>I’m arguing about the circumstances, it is others who seem to be focused on the statistics.</p>

<p>I said enough, Goaliedad. Enough.</p>

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Glad you are finally getting the idea… ;)</p>

<p>Please don’t think that “I’m getting the idea.”</p>

<p>What I’m doing is “getting tired of reading the same post over and over again.”</p>

<p>And so are others.</p>

<p>For the record, my child was shocked when he got the e-mail. He was the first one to check his mail and at first he thougth it was a mistake. He then asked the other kids in class to check their e-mail, which is when it was discovered he and the other student were the only ones who received it. They at the time were the only 2 in the class who take online psychology. The other kids take different courses. That is when the statements started about not being able to cheat, etc. For people who think I don’t support my child because of any other comments I’ve previously made, trust me that is not the case. I consider myself to be a realistic parent. I’m not one of those who say oh my child would never do this or my child would never do that. In my experience, those children are usually the worst ones and their parents don’t even really know them. My son said he didn’t cheat and I do believe him. If someone else can prove to me, without a doubt, that he knowingly did, of course I would have to believe them…but they will have to prove it. My whole point for initiating the original post was to make others aware that students can be accused of cheating based solely on statistics. I had personally never heard of that, but then again I’m a high school parent. It was and still is shocking to me. No new developments yet. We have not heard from the professor, she is still in the class, and I will keep you posted.</p>

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<p>I guess you don’t get the idea that you get what you give…</p>