aerospace engineers, help?

<p>Here’s a fun website. It has the case reports from (all?) security clearance reviews.</p>

<p>[Industrial</a> Security Clearance Decisions](<a href=“http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/]Industrial”>http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/)</p>

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<p>Must not be all, I couldn’t find mine in there.</p>

<p>It seems like it’s only the ones that had to be reviewed for some reason.</p>

<p>Speaking of security clearances, here’s a scenario.</p>

<p>Say if one of my parents is a natural born citizen and the other immigrated here and has gained citizenship, and I myself am a natural born citizen, would I be able to obtain a security clearance?</p>

<p>From reading some of the reports you can get a security clearance if you yourself immigrated to the US. What they look for is whether you have strong ties to the other country. Do you maintain dual-citizenship, hold a passport for the other country, or make frequent visits there?</p>

<p>notre dame AL,
I am no attorney or anything, but to the best of my understanding section 505 of the USA Patriot Act allows the FBI to obtain any private communications you have had via the internet, phone, or web-mail service with only a piece of paper signed by an agent in charge of your local FBI office; and without court review, or you being suspected of a crime.
Am I misinterpreting this section of the Patriot Act?
If you can, ask your spouse. I’m curious.</p>

<p>Haven’t you guys seen True Lies, they pull that stuff all the time…the patriot act is a funny thing though, from what I understood the significance of it is that if your not a citizen you have no rights, but I’m not worried about it…still the best gosh darn government in the world!</p>

<p>Chuy,</p>

<p>You are required to destroy any passports issued to you by foreign countries in order to get clearance. You don’t have to renounce your citizenship but do have to destroy your passport. The gubmint wants to keep track of when you leave and enter the country.</p>

<p>"Am I misinterpreting this section of the Patriot Act? "</p>

<p>The “Patriot” Act has eliminated so many fundamental principles that are supposed to be central to this country’s establishment. You probably have interpreted it correctly. </p>

<p>“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Ben Franklin</p>

<p>Please, tell me how republicans can sing in unison against “big government” when a republican-dominated government from 2000-2008 set into place the worst form of big government?! sure, so you may think (with misinformation and poor education) that government getting into our daily lives is wrong, but how can you reconcile the largest infraction of american ideals and turn away from a public health care option?</p>

<p>Yeah, the Patriot Act sucks. It has ■■■■■■■■ my development as a scientist/engineer from all the new restrictions on chemicals. (Which, BTW have NEVER been used for terrorist activity and were proved by a 3rd party investigation to not pose bomb hazards.)</p>

<p>BUT, to answer your question, you need not a security clearance to work on spaceflight stuff. You need to be a US citizen in good standing. Any infraction on ITAR will be dealt with the US State Dept and you’ll likely have all your property seized and go to federal prison for the remainder of your life. With that being said, the status of your family or spouse does not normally matter unless you’re trying to do something within high technology national defense…</p>

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<p>Is that all? Gee, I’ll sleep better tonight.</p>

<p>Yeah, ITAR is a pain. I worked security for some ITAR restricted conferences, and if we talk about what we saw to people we’re not supposed to then yeah, off to jail and bye bye assets.</p>

<p>I was being facetious. If that were true, I’d have quit my job years ago; it wouldn’t be worth the risk. Altho I’m sure it’s possible under extreme circumstances.</p>

<p>I was being a little facetious; you’re not likely to get arrested for talking about what you did over the dinner table. You can go to jail for a pretty long time and face fines of over a million dollars though, if you’re intentionally disclosing information.</p>

<p>[University</a> professor and Tennessee company indicted for Arms Export Control Act violations](<a href=“http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/052108knoxville.htm]University”>http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/052108knoxville.htm)</p>

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<p>You do know the Patriot Act was widely supported by both parties and was passed by a Democratic majority Senate, right?</p>

<p>“You do know the Patriot Act was widely supported by both parties and was passed by a Democratic majority Senate, right?”</p>

<p>Yup. But we live(d) in a panic-driven society fed sensationalist news through organizations such as Fox, that have alternative agendas besides hard facts. We had a POTUS and VP that pulled a fast one on the country…</p>

<p>The fact it was passed doesn’t necessarily have to do with who passed it, but the circumstances that something like that would be considered in the first place.</p>

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<p>chuy, the key word is intentionally. I assume the original posts that warned of the dire consequences weren’t assuming intention on the OPs part!</p>

<p>In my work there’s little I can’t say at the dinner table, export-wise (nothing classified!) as long as my dining partners are American (I rarely do tho, it’s basically boring). </p>

<p>With foreign nationals, we follow rigorous processes to ensure only the approved data is transferred, but people are human and mistakes are possible. So you see what I mean about risk. The value of the revealed data is also taken into consideration. An inadvertent export would be much more likely to involve something minor. </p>

<p>Even so, I can lose sleep at night as it is. Don’t make it worse! <smiley here=“”></smiley></p>

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<p>I would argue that we still do. Particularly because of the grand promise of non-partisan politics and cooperation, only to see POTUS unwilling to budge on almost any issue and then blaming the GOP for being obstinate. Both sides are stubborn and ridiculous.</p>

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<p>This isn’t the politics forum, but what issue has he NOT budged on?</p>

<p>He just has all this rhetoric about working together, and then says things like “I won’t sign a healthcare bill that has X in it and I will veto any healthcare bill with Y in it.” And it just so happens to be exactly the parts that the other side is trying to compromise on. It is just goofy. The whole situation is goofy: both parties.</p>

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<p>Yes, because Fox is the reason to blame for all of this… I will admit, the organization leans right on most topics, but the media in general is liberal and has been for some time. Ever watched MSNBC? I’m sure you have considering your blatant hatred for the right. The fact is, ALL news networks have facts thrown in with opinions.</p>

<p>With that being said, why do you think Fox has such a large following? Because you have to get the other side from some where…</p>