I think Scipio post 79 is on the money. Remember the average person doesn’t actually KNOW what schools are in the Ivy League (or care, for that matter). It’s just shorthand for “really good schools.”
Interesting fact, Brown has the lowest % of Asians out of all Ivies. Brown has around 14% and all other Ivies have around 20%.
When D2 was applying to colleges, she was considering Brown, but her private college counselor(he was Asian) said to her, “Do you really want to go to a school named Brown?” I laughed, but saw he wasn’t really laughing.
I wonder if Asians do not apply to Brown because of the name.
I mean…yeah…of course I know that those articles are geared towards the general public who doesn’t know that much (and that often includes applicants, including even some of the kids who get into ivy league schools), but that doesn’t mean that I and others have to just accept that status quo without criticism as several people in this thread were suggesting.
@WorryHurry411 thats because they STILL vastly outnumber all accepted underrepresented minorities (Black, Hispanic, Native) COMBINED! Hell, they should have an article for EVERY URM admitted! Since - relatively speaking - that many don’t get admitted to hardly ANY elite schools (let alone all 8 ivies!!)
@romanigypsyeyes LOVE IT!! Way to put the smackdown!!
That’s impressive, but I really don’t see why it’s necessary to apply to all 8 ivy leagues. They are all very different from one another so it’s highly doubtful that one student is going to fall in love with all 8 of them for reasons other than prestige…
These 2 are children of Educated financially stable Nigerian immigrants.
Ivy leagues need these brilliant students to add to their diversity.
Most immigrant parents dream of their child getting into an Ivy League school and applying for all increases the odds even a little.
It’s a win win for both.
You do wonder though how many underserved economically disadvantaged black children were overlooked in place of them.
^^ Oh please. How many “undeserved economically disadvantaged black children” even apply to Ivies?
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Good point.
“^^ Oh please. How many “undeserved economically disadvantaged black children” even apply to Ivies?”
Whatever the number is, I’m guessing that if their grades and test scores are good they will get in. Which is fine.
I realize this is unrealistic, but to avoid seeing superstar students get shut out of all elite privates, should they desire to attend one:
Why not have a general app called the “Elite Private App”?
Let’s say there are minimums to qualify, like:
- 3.8 GPA unweighted
- 2150 SAT or 32-33 ACT
- Top 10% of class
- Multiple AP courses or IB equivalent (or if a high school lacks both, substitute highest rigor)
Maybe it could work like this:
- A student sends in the app
- The app goes to ~40 top private universities and LACs
- A committee composed of one representative from each school meets to discuss the applicants and each applicant is chosen by/assigned an acceptance to one school.
- Full/standard FA packages are offered
The applicant is given notice of his or her acceptance and can then choose between that “elite” school and any other acceptances he or she has received.
This takes away choice and might prevent some kids from receiving multiple “elite” acceptances… but it would also prevent a kid from being “shut out”.
Thoughts?
The schools might include:
Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, UChicago, Columbia, Penn, Duke, Caltech, Brown, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Cornell, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Rice, Georgetown, Washington U, Notre Dame, Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Tufts, USC, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Haverford, Carleton, Claremont McKenna, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Grinnell, Wesleyan, Harvey Mudd.
Maybe even more schools…
In the digital age, there already is such a thing in the UR and email address: johnnysmith@eliteprep.edu
That said, it’s naive to think the elite will do anything to LIMIT their options. And multiple acceptances are one of them.
If some students are beneficiaries of their parents then others are beneficiaries of the financial aid. Neither is paying themselves, others are paying for them.
Grades/rigor, test scores, activities, writing, and LoRs. Not just stats.
Look at Questbridge’s College Match.
@Oberyn
It’s only funny because you aren’t facing it. So many super smart, hard working kids face much higher standards for top schools and even if they make it to one or two, they choose not to go because without significant financial aid, it would ruin finances of their parents. They do wonder about the “privilege” of being born with right skin or having slacker parents as much as they wonder about being born into wealthy families where cost of atandance is not the deciding factor in college admission process.
Also most good opportunities and programs, either come with a big price tags or are reserved for URM or “economically disadvantaged”. There aren’t many for middle/upper middle class. These kids have to carve paths themselves, that’s their disadvantage.
@prezbucky I had a thread related to this sort of idea a few weeks ago. My thought was schools could offer to give back 1/2 of the application fee to students that released their admission spot in a timely manner (for the schools they decided not to attend). If there was that , plus much more rolling admissions, I think it would really help. The kids would get sorted into their spot without holding up a bunch of other spots. The other thing that would help would be for the most selective schools to release their results earlier, and for all schools to release FA offers earlier.
The poor upper-middle-class kids!!
Worryhurry, you seem to perseverate on the notion that a handful of elite schools are the key to lifetime success. What makes you think there are truly substantial differences between, say, the top 10 and the next 20? Why is it a big deal if the kid smart enough for Harvard “only” goes to Tufts?
Yes, my heart bleeds for the upper-middle-class kids having to “carve paths for themselves” after the piano lessons, the lacrosse camps, the European vacations, the ski trips, the orthodontia, the tutoring, the private high schools and SAT-boosting programs.
They are so disadvantaged.
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