All Male Colleges?

There’s a parent at the school where I work who graduated from Morehouse and got his MBA from Harvard.

Agreed, having lived in both Alabama and Georgia for extended periods of time. Most haven’t even heard of H-S; those who have know it as that vaguely bigotted white prep school (gee, I wonder why). Morehouse is considered to be an excellent niche college with an impressive student body.

When people say things like

I think of schools like Emory or Vanderbilt, which are considered less prestigious in other regions, perhaps, but are the better known ‘elites’ in the south. Never would H-S cross my mind as being categorized as such.

Having read through the Sweet Briar thread in the Parent’s Forum, it seems to be that H-S may be somewhat of its male counterpart in terms of appeal and standing?

“Morehouse’s reputation is better on the whole”

It certainly is. I might compare it to BYU: it’s the unquestioned champion of eliteness within a relatively small community. Howard, Morehouse, and Spelman together are the last word in excellence in their category.

“Right now, Spain, the UK, Germany, all have conservative governments - David Cameron was just re-elected, for example.”

MYOS, your post (#77) was excellent, but I should note that European “conservatives” are generally liberal by US standards! LOL!

Well, there are different definitions of “conservative”. :slight_smile:
David Cameron certainly is an economic conservative. In my opinion he represents perfectly economic conservative theory put to work.
There are social conservatives in Spain, some are even close to the Fascists (ie., regret El Caudillo’s rule). There are lots of anti-immigration, anti-mariage equality conservatives in France, which would seem more liberal than either one (but isn’t necessarily so; even their reliance on the State isn’t so much “socialist” as it is a remnant of Louis the 14’s and Colbert’s structuring the nation and its economy.) Germany might not be too suitable as it is not as straight/pure “conservative” economically speaking as Britain, nor as socially conservative as either France or Spain. Not sure about the Netherlands or Belgium. All of these would serve a student of history well, as well as a future law student. I think that one advantage of the UK is that they use common law, not a civil code like the rest of Europe. In addition, it’s possible to take actual law classes in any of these countries.

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MYOS, there are social and fiscal conservatives everywhere. Le Pen in France, for example, will likely command the largest single party block. But in the national election, she will not win more than 25% of the votes while her opponent, probably a socialist with moderate-liberal social views, will likely win 70%+ of the votes. Society at large in Europe tends to be quite liberal. Most EU countries would qualify as socialistic and socially left-leaning.

As an LGBT (gasp) who’s going to a college where the median SAT is about 200 points greater than Hampden-Sydney; you’re being ridiculous. Prestige isn’t everything; fit is.

Also, I think you’re going to have a hard time anywhere with your backwards views; you need to grow up.

@dessie411
You need to grow up. There is something called “Freedom of Speech” in America, and I am entitled to my opinion. This is a college forum. Let’s not argue about politics/social issues here(I have already been warned twice, and you need a warning as well) I did not say anything thar could be categorized as offensive. I live in the South, and my views are widely held by most. Also, if you don’t mind telling me, where are you going to college? I am interested in knowing, because you make it sound as if it’s SO much better than Hampden-Sydney(which it probably isn’t) Look at Patrick Henry College. Everyone is socially and fiscally conservative, and they have a very high average SAT, and send several students to ivy league law schools every year. How about that?

Most? I beg to differ. Though with your attitude I’m not surprised you believe that.

Freedom of speech was designed to prevent the government from censoring the media. It was NOT designed to keep people from being criticized by others for their controversial views. Someone interested in going into a prestigious law school should know that.

@kdkhan - My advice to you is to take a gap year and travel around the world. Your world and your mind needs to be broadened. Even in the south, your views are not “widely held by most.”

As a person of middle eastern descent, are you concerned that you might be discriminated against by students at the very conservative schools you are considering?

Why are you obsessed with attending law school at an Ivy? Are you not worried that the environment will be too liberal for you, if you cannot tolerate a similar environment, as well as female classmates, for undergraduate studies?

@doschicos
Ted Cruz went to Harvard Law, so a Tea Party Conservative would be fine there. Also the “Environment” at Harvard isn’t even that liberal. From what I have heard, the faculty Is extremely Liberal, but the students are more moderate. I can destroy Leftists in debate, so the environment does not scare me. Don’t tell me to broaden my views. I think you want me to be more “tolerant” Well, that’s not going to happen. I think Dr. Michael Ferris (Founder, and Chancellor of Patrick Henry College) put it perfectly when he said “The advocates of tolerance want to ban speech” Tolerance and Liberty can not coexist. I don’t hate anyone, but I am entitled to my opinion on social issues. Just because I am in the minority does NOT mean I’m wrong. The philosopher Socrates said even if 10,000 stood against him he would stick to his beliefs. I don’t care if the majority of America is against the Tea Party: if we are right, we will win in the end.

You have a lot of opinions, so what’s your thoughts on this: “As a person of middle eastern descent, are you concerned that you might be discriminated against by students at the very conservative schools you are considering?”

@doschicos brings up a very valid point. Many extreme conservatives would be very resistant to including someone who appeared or identified as middle eastern, particularly after 9/11.

“Tolerance and liberty cannot coexist”… Kdkhan, can you actually think about what you quoted?
Freedom to do what you wish and say as you wish rests on tolerance. Tolerance is inherent to freedom.
Check your quote.

Please do consider Morehouse seriously since it’s all-male, at your academic level, conservative, and preppy in dress. It may not be a good fit, but look into it and ask for info before you cross it out for sure.

I do hope you’ll study abroad in a country with a conservative government. If you’re a history major going abroad will be very useful to you. Studying Churchill in England for example would be fantastic. Or McMillan, or Eden. Or Heath in the 73-75 period!

Which brings me to another suggestion: Westminster college in Missouri. Where Churchill made his famous Sinews of Peace speech (whence comes the term “iron curtain”) and where his library is located. Coed, but seriously conservative.

Ted Cruz was not a Tea Party Conservative when he went to Harvard Law. However, I agree, conservatives can fit in at Harvard Law.

Law is not debate, but you’ve got plenty of time to test this. Note however that “destroying” your opponent is only a goal on TV Shows, in reality you try to convince the jury that your guilty defendent has extenuating circumstances, or that the extenuating circumstances aren’t that mitigating. :wink:

@doschicos
That is a typical Liberal question, and not a hard one to answer. As I have said before, I am a devout Episcopalian (conservative High Anglican) Everyone at my church is extremely conservative, and they treat me as if I was a family member. Also, I am a rower (part of a private rowing team) and through that team, I have met some very wealthy/conservative people my age. I have made some of my best friends from the team, and have had a wonderful experience. Most of my friends are wealthy, white, and conservative, so NO I don’t believe I will be discriminated against by anyone.(I have friends who come from many different backgrounds , but my best friends are from my rowing club, and the Young Republicans group) America is the greatest nation on Earth, and for someone to ask this sort of questions shocks me. Ted Cruz is Cuban, Bobby Jindal is Indian, and I don’t see anyone discriminating against them. Dr. King’s dream has come true. Racism is 99% dead. The only people who believe there is a lot of Racism in America are those on the Left. Broaden your mind a little bit, and throw off the chains that Liberalism has bound you with.

You use a lot of rhetoric, @kfdkhan, but you lack life experience and have an obvious lack of exposure to various viewpoints. You seem to pride yourself on your debating skills but life is not a debate and a chalking up of “points” won. More can be gained through open and honest discussion. Your approach of digging your heels in and being unable to consider others’ viewpoints speaks to why our country is at a standstill - no willingness to compromise or even acknowledge other opinions and experiences. I’m glad you feel you have not been discriminated against in your very short lifespan and that you feel that “racism is 99% dead”. My life experience and the experiences of many I know and care for speaks otherwise. There are still a lot of isms out there - agism, racism, sexism - to name a few. Having many decades of life experience beyond your own, I know it does exist. As you are a person who lives in a sheltered world and hasn’t yet supported himself, let’s have another chat 10 to 20 years from now.

When people stop discussing things with you, my guess is you think you’ve “won” and you give yourself a pat on the back and “points”. The reality is that your mode of discussion is tiresome and folks no longer choose to waste their time with you, someone unwilling to be open to dialogue and a civil exchange of ideas.

“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

I won’t even bother quoting the OP’s most recent remarks to my husband: a Mayflower descendant, Social Register member, rower (twice at Henley, representing his American Episcopalian boarding school and the British public school where he spent a PG year), and a diehard liberal. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John Kerry, et al would probably be amused, also.

@doschicos in lieu of OP’s post #97 why bother to continue giving him the benefit of your wisdom?