<p>This was back in India in like the 4th grade. I believe 5th graders onward would get that specific test invalidated, or at least a great number of points taken off.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, many people there would cheat as well. And they would have rather elaborate methods that I shall refrain from divulging, so that you guys don't get tempted.</p>
<p>I think every American knows millions of ways to cheat, from the simple to complex. But most of us refrain and all know that it's wrong.</p>
<p>just looking at these post will tell you how much more stupid american students are</p>
<p>Yea, Jin, these posts really show how stupid american students are. Take your bigoted idiocy somewhere else.</p>
<p>I found this website about cheating on the GREs, fake diplomas, etc.</p>
<p>First I want to point out that Chris C2 is a f.cking idiot, who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He should shut up and go read a book before opening his mouth. </p>
<p>Second, EVERYONE cheats. Chinese people are extremely competitive- if you've ever went to school in Taiwan/China, you'd know what I mean. When they cheat, they usually do it as an extra boost in hopes to get ranked higher, or like VTjas81 said, in hopes to get into a good grad school in the U.S. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the main reason why they cheat. They've tried really hard, but they don't have enough confidence in themselves so they lie/cheat. Rarely do you see Chinese kids who cheat because they're lazy. I gotta admit though, the way Chinese people cheat is pretty hardcore.</p>
<p>In the U.S., most kids cheat because because they're lazy. They go as far as to sneaking into school computers to change grades and stealing finals from the teachers. They don't study, and think they're smart enough to cheat and get away with it. I don't know about Chinese teachers, but I know for a fact that even some U.S. teachers cheat on the standarized tests. If a certain class does exceptionally well, the teacher sometimes gets a bonus to their salary, so some teachers change their students answers after they've turned it in, or "prepare" their kids for the test beforehand. There's this book called "Freakonomics", really interesting stuff in there. There's a chapter inside about how teachers cheat. I would recommend reading that book. </p>
<p>Anyway, that's what I see from my own experiences. By the way, I'm a Chinese U.S. citizen and I've gone to schools in both the US and Taiwan. This is based on my own obervations.</p>
<p>Question: How many super-educated Chinese people does it take to build a country with respect for personal rights and property, and which its best and brightest aren't trying to get the hell out of? Answer: Apparently more than 1.5 billion.</p>
<p>Nothing derogatory here, I'm just throwing out the concept that if the Chinese students are smarter and study harder, for Chri$t's sake, DO something with it in your own country. You make so many other countries richer and better with your presence...why can't you do the same thing at home?</p>
<p>tourguide446 .. it's not that easy.</p>
<p>Nobody said it is going to be easy. The point is, a bunch of us under-educated rejects from other countries have done the impossible in the USA...if the Chinese education is as good as you say it is, it should be easiER than it was for us. Put up or shut up.</p>
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<p>It's usually a good idea to use proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling if you want to criticize other people's intelligence online.</p>
<p>Just a head's up, y'know?</p>
<p>Chinese (and most Asian) schools emphasize conformity and rote memorization. But what does that do? Sure Chinese/most asian students may be able to point out where the city of Kathmandu is on a map (BTW I don't even know if Kathmandu exists) but how does that help them in th real world?</p>
<p>So....I'll give you an anecdote for the two approaches of education:</p>
<p>A team of Chinese and American students are given a globe, a magnifying glass, and a push-pin and told to point out where the city of Kathmandu is.</p>
<p>Here's the Chinese approach: the person whose best subject is geography tries to remember the exact location of the city of Kathmandu. That's the only way they'll be able to figure it out, because they only MEMORIZED the location. So if they forget they're screwed.</p>
<p>American approach: The American students have never heard of Kathmandu. But they know FOR FACT that cities are usually named in the language of its location. So knowing that, American students can deduce that it's not in North/South America, Austrailia and Europe because it's not in English or any other European language. Using the process of Elimination, they look in Asia or Africa. Now, they know for fact that Kathmandu is NOT in an East Asian language, and therefore eliminate Korea and Japan. They also know that most African cities are English/French/Spanish/German/whatever, so they cross out Africa. Kathmandu also does not sound Arabic, therefore the middle east is out. They also cross out the Indochina area and the Singapore area because they use dialects of chinese, and again, Kathmandu doesn't sound Chinese. Then they have eliminated all regions in the globe except for the India and Tibet region. (BTW, Kathmandu is in Tibet.)</p>
<p>Ask yourself which way is faster: Trying to remember a remote city in Tibet straight from memory (which you possibly could have forgotten), or deducing its location.</p>
<p>I would say the American approach is faster. It teaches you HOW to find a remote city on a map, and not WHERE those remote cities are on a map.</p>
<p>just my $.02 :D</p>
<p>BTW I went to schools in both Korea and the US for equal amounts of time, so I know what I'm talking about.</p>
<p>TourGuide: there is an essential difference between being "smart/studying hard" and being able to "challenge the status quo."</p>
<p>You're a bigger fool than I thought. Not only don't you know the difference between a flat and progressive tax, you come up with possibly the most idiotic example I have ever encountered. </p>
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But they know FOR FACT that cities are usually named in the language of its location. So knowing that, American students can deduce that it's not in North/South America, Austrailia and Europe because it's not in English or any other European language.
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Oh right, the average American student is not only a rational thinker, but also a polyglot of the highest order. They would also rule out a place like Toowoomba from being in Australia, because that's certainly not an English name.</p>
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Right. So if the American team was looking for Wyoming or Mississippi, Alabama, Connecticut, etc they would also look in Asia, since those are certainly not derived from English or any other European language</p>
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They also know that most African cities are English/French/Spanish/German/whatever, so they cross out Africa.
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Names like Addis Ababa, Benin, Lagos, Accra, Dakar, Malabo, Maputo, Dar es Salaam, Nairobi, Tunis, Tripoli,etc ,etc</p>
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Kathmandu also does not sound Arabic, therefore the middle east is out.
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You can't differentiate between a flat and progressive tax, let alone Arabic or Singhalese or Sanskrit</p>
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They also cross out the Indochina area and the Singapore area because they use dialects of chinese, and again, Kathmandu doesn't sound Chinese. Then they have eliminated all regions in the globe except for the India and Tibet region. (BTW, Kathmandu is in Tibet.)
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<p>Yea, your logic and deduction is amazing, considering that *Kathmandu is the capital of Nepal *</p>
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I would say the American approach is faster. It teaches you HOW to find a remote city on a map, and not WHERE those remote cities are on a map.
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<p>This is truly amazing. Even with personal computers, atlases, etc at their disposal, the average American kid cannot even correctly identify what country a city is in.</p>
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<p>I can't. And I told you, my anecdote is NOT perfect.</p>
<p>I think I'll post a disclaimer on every one of my posts.</p>
<p>Not its less than perfect. Its flat out incorrect. Its kids like you that lend the OP's claims credibility.</p>
<p>wicked is my hero. that just made my day.</p>
<p>Look, no system is perfect. The American system is a little more practical as it teaches SKILLS rather than KNOWLEDGE and the Chinese system emphasizes KNOWLEDGE rather than SKILLS.</p>
<p>Skills to come up with an incorrect answer despite having the best resources at hand? Thats pretty sad.</p>
<p>Omg, w1cked, I have to agree with you. Mark the calendar...I laughed. So hard.</p>