Another high average student...Chances?

<p>Ok, for my son...a sophmore...</p>

<p>Stats:</p>

<p>9th grade GPA: 3.67 uw/3.9 W
10th grade GPA: 3.78 uw/4.01W with rising grades. 4.0 this semester
Has taken hardest available classes, honors where available.
11th grade : Will be abroad in France; wants to go and is committed but I have my hesitations about impact on college etc...</p>

<p>SAT: V. 630; M 730; W. 680 Is taking a prep class; better scores - hopefully, but not certainly.
SAT II: Chemistry 710 (projected); Math 1 740 (projected).
Will take SATII in France in French next year. I think those scores will be quite good</p>

<p>EC: Theatre, lots of it, community groups, school groups you name it. Tech work, on stage work, you name it. Debate team, and summer work with church in New Orleans rebuilding houses. At least 25 hours per week of the above ecs, each week.</p>

<p>Recs: Very good as will be essays. Will interview very well.</p>

<p>Intended major: unknown, but maybe theatre management, or technical theatre. Also does reallly well in his math/Science classes but does not want to be in a "lab"</p>

<p>Legacy: Tufts (Dad attended)</p>

<p>Assuming Sat stays the same:</p>

<p>SUNY Purchase
NYU
Tufts
University of Chicago
Northwestern
Amherst
Reed
St. John's College (Santa Fe)</p>

<p>Chances?</p>

<p>Also, chances for </p>

<p>Emerson
Trinity (CT)
Rhodes</p>

<p>Thanks again.</p>

<p>Sophomore year is a little early to tell.</p>

<p>But, advice: don't worry about a study abroad's affect on college admissions. If anything, it will help your son stand out.</p>

<p>I'd recommend not focusing too early on any particular list of colleges - there's a lot of growth and development between sophomore year and senior year even when kids don't do something life changing like studying abroad, so the college list might change quite a bit once your son moves along, and, of course, by this time next year you'll have a better picture of what might be good admissions fits as well. So, stay really flexible at this point, and consider a wide range of options.</p>

<p>For example, for someone truly interested in theater, DePaul University's excellent theater conservatory might be a better match than University of Chicago, and Sarah Lawrence's self-directed curriculum and access to NYC might make a much better choice than Amherst. Since you are open to the pacific Northwest, Whitman College in Washington has an excellent theater program and excellent academics and might make a better choice for a theater-type than Reed. If he wants to major in Theater, then St. Johns' may not be the best choice. Great school, but there is NO theater major there.</p>

<p>So, keep things flexible at this point, look at many different possibilites, and wait and see how what your son wants from a college changes and develops over the next year and a half to two years. Almost NO ONE has a "firm" college list until the fall of senior year, and if you've read the "decisions" threads here over the past few weeks, a lot can change even then. </p>

<p>The semester abroad, assuming it is through a reputable program, should not be a negative in college admissions. As already noted, many schools will consider the experience a plus. Just make sure that he will be able to slip back into senior year seamlessly without scheduling problems. Do also check on how the year will be shown on his high school transcript. </p>

<p>Also make sure that he will be able to have opportunities to take the SATs/ACT/Subject tests while he is abroad - you don't want to have to cram that all in during the fall of senior year if at all possible, and he may not be able to show his full potential taking them now, as a sophomore (scores often rise between the end of sophomore and junior years, simply because the student has another year of academic growth and experience). </p>

<p>Finally, keep in mind that your son will probably have a very different set of criteria for colleges after studying abroad, so you may find you have to scramble when he returns to visit colleges over the summer and fall of senior year. </p>

<p>But, the chance to study abroad for a year is a wonderful opportunity -- I wouldn't give it up just out of fear about how it may or may not affect his college plans two years from now. Life should be about MORE than just getting into college. :)</p>

<p>PS One thing you may want to investigate next year at the Collegiate Choice DVD's (<a href="http://www.collegiatechoice.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.collegiatechoice.com&lt;/a&gt;) A college counselor travelled across the country videotaping the admissions tours at hundreds of colleges and universities. They're not professional quality, but may be a useful tool to send to your son if he does go overseas next year. He may be able to at least narrow down his preferences a bit next spring that way.</p>

<p>One other thought: Most colleges ask for recommendations from teachers who have taught the student in junior or senior year. So, he may want to make sure to line up at least one recommendation from a teacher he has in the program next year. He can then rely on his senior year teachers at his "home" school for the other recommendations.</p>

<p>I appreciate all the suggestions, including 1. Getting recomendations; 2. Checking on how the grades will translate. </p>

<p>He will have at least one teacher as a senior who has had him as a sophmore and can likely fill in for the junior year rec if need be. </p>

<p>The program is SYA, so academically I think it is very sound. </p>

<p>I do not know how tied to doing theatre in college he will be. I included that information only because it seems such a part of his present life.</p>

<p>I guess I was asking about those schools b/c he does not like standardized tests and wanted to know if he just accepted the current SAT scores, what the likely acceptance would be, assuming all other things stayed the same.</p>

<p>I assume you're being modest, but a 2000 SAT is not "high average." It is at about the 93%tile (top 7%). High average would be about 1650 (67%tile), average being about 1500.</p>

<p>High average GPA is not 3.7-4.0, but rather in the 3.2-3.3 range, although this could vary school-to-school.</p>

<p>I would call this student "excellent" or "outstanding" though perhaps not the coveted "Ivy shoe-in."</p>

<p>I'm not doing this to pick on the OP, but rather to inform the many HS students who post here and who might otherwise be discouraged by the characterizations on this board.</p>

<p>Congratulations on having such a great student!</p>

<p>Good point MSUDad, especially as the scores the OP is posting are Sophomore year scores.</p>

<p>I think he's done very well too, though compared to many of the posts here, he's only doing 'average'. I also have my concerns because the school he attends does not normally have many students graduating to attend more competitive colleges...</p>

<p>Average in a general sense is 3.0... 1500, however, those scores where I live, will not get you accepted to most schools. Here, on CC, where everyone wants to attend a top 30 school, 4.0 GPA is normal, if not low, paired with
30+ ACT.</p>

<p>I wanted to tell Carolyn a belated thank you for pointing out the importance of discussion in advance with the home school of issues related to senior year BEFORE the student leaves for the SYA program. The process turned out to be more complicated than I would have imagined (honors credit for classes abroad - will it be given, how does one complete home school 'gym' requirement where SYA had no specific 'health/gym' class on the transcript, can the student elect APs normally available only to Juniors as a Senior and numerous other small issues). I made the mistake of thinking that because the home school approved the program in advance of application that would end the inquiry - but NO. It was Carolyn's post that got me thinking, and asking questions, and now, some near three months later, it seems all straightened out.</p>

<p>My word of advice to parents of public school students who enroll in SYA: HAVE CONVERSATIONS with your son or daughter and with the guidance department early and often. Set a schedule for the year of the student's return before they leave, and get all classes approved in advance....Sorry to say, my son needed parental help to find a workaround for the inital responses of the guidance department, which responses would have - had I not intervened a bit on this one - been those that would have seriously dumbed down his course load as a senior by forcing him to take two PE credits (one in lieu of an AP) and by forcing him to take regular history instead of AP US history, which is normally 'only for Juniors". </p>

<p>Thanks Carolyn !!!</p>

<p>Nice choices, nothing far out of his reach. Boost the scores, keep it up, and he should have a decent shot at them all. GPA could be better, but I know you know that northwestern, UCHICAGO, and amherst are reaches.</p>

<p>i think it's still too early to call it right now but heres some recommendations</p>

<p>-take math 2c. trust me. the curve is a lot better and i think colleges look more highly on it.
-retake the chem after taking chem ap (if he is). i was sort of a slacker and didn't study and was surprised by what i got (740 eh. but im sure your son will do better)
-take another sat 2 for the privates. prob something like literature since math and science are already taken</p>

<p>i hope this helps</p>

<p>Thanks for your advice elee122; Unfortunately, his actual Chem score was lower than the projected - he said he was distracted by a kid in the room who did not stop sneezing - so the score was actually a 650. The math was exactly as he thought...anyway, he may take the Chem SAT II again with self study even though there is no room in the senior year schedule for AP Chem....As he does not want to major in the sciences, I think the score should be viewed as respectable whether he retakes it or not...and especially as it was taken without AP Chem.</p>

<p>He does plan to take the Math II abroad...</p>

<p>Thank you for all of the suggestions and comments. And Carolyn was also correct on another point - after the college tours of this summer, Wesleyan was added to the list, and Northwestern was taken off of it...I am sure next summer's college tours will bring yet more revisions...</p>

<p>SUNY Purchase - reach
NYU - reject
Tufts - reject
University of Chicago - reject
Northwestern - reject
Amherst - reject
Reed - reject
St. John's College (Santa Fe) - reach</p>

<p>Clearly PWN knows little. SUNY purchase is a safety, with merit money, based on our investigation, especially if he does not apply soley for theater....! </p>

<p>U of C and Amherst clearly seem higher reaches; Wesleyan is a lower reach, but still a reach based on the info provided at the summer tour....</p>

<p>Based on the questions asked at the summer tours, NYU seems a match, St. John's is a match, and the others - well it is too early to assess and/or we did not yet visit them, or my son, in the case of Northwestern, read material that sparked some disinterest...</p>