<p>I am sorry I did not complete my thought regarding Ed vs EA. What I meant by that statement is that we visited it last, all his other applications were in, and that he considered ED after our visit because he decided that day he would go there, regardless of what the other schools decided. His applications were already out by November 1, and he had already been accepted at two other schools. Elon is a good school, and had a strange year this year regarding wait list. My son did not care, but I was posting earlier that those students on the wait list should find another school to love them. </p>
<p>I have a friend whose son just graduated from UNC-CH with not very good grades. He is having a hard time getting a job, or being accepted to grad school. UNC-CH is a great school with a great reputation. Students should find a college where they will be successful, and not worry so much about what everyone else thinks. </p>
<p>It’s not all about money. You see, people have opinions that differ from yours. If a student feels as though they will receive a superior education at High Point University, I would argue that’s worth the money. It’s easy to say, “Well x college is less expensive than y college!”. Again, money isn’t everything.</p>
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<p>It also means that the college is expanding and growing. It very well could make for a better education.</p>
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<p>Everything you requested is available online. You seem to have no problem finding what you consider to be comparable schools to High Point University that you boast are cheaper. I advise you to visit [this</a> link.](<a href=“http://highpoint.edu/admissions/index.cfm?DeptCategory=10&PageID=2371"]this”>http://highpoint.edu/admissions/index.cfm?DeptCategory=10&PageID=2371) I’m judging from your posts that you are a very intellectual person who will probably have no problem doing that math for yourself. But for a hint, subtract 100 points from this year’s mean freshman SAT score.</p>
<p>It’s not on that link. I simply ask that High Point University post the Common Data Set data as reputable schools do rather than cherry pick data that makes a positive impression (even if the stats are virtually meaningless). </p>
<p>I won’t beat them up for a rather poor freshman retention rate as kids that do well will naturally try to transfer to better schools. But the prior year’s US News & World Report has their 6 year graduation rate at 52 percent. That basically one out every two kids not graduating - which is just awful. Let’s see when High Point starts posting that stat on their site.</p>
<p>ctyankee, you’ve made your point. It’s clear you’re not content with what HPU publishes about their statistics. My question to you is: why do you continue to berate the school in this forum thread? Do you feel it’s your obligation to have people defend the school and it’s reputation to you just so they feel good about the decision they may have made to send their child, or attend it themselves? Move on, please. Try posting something positive on another thread instead of your negative, argumentative ones here.</p>
<p>I could not agree more with you, momk. You have to wonder why so vindictive and furthermore, why on here? Agree with NJ too ~ school is all of what you make of it. In life, the topic of “where” you went to school is not that relevant to success. What is important is the person you are. HPU’s unique mission fits well into that priority. </p>
<p>HPU’s synergy is vibrant and POSITIVE. It is a place you want to be and are motivated to learn and be your best self. It’s exciting to be a part of it - but as with all schools, it’s not for everyone, especially negative people.</p>
<p>My daughter just started as a freshmen…and so far Loves it! I just spoke to her quickly because she is getting ready for classes to start tomorrow…Without a doubt she feels she made the right choice…and I feel the same!</p>
<p>CTYankee is 1 of about 4 posters that seem to have an almost personal vendetta against HPU- a situation I find more “creepy” than how they perceive HPU’s marketing. I posted this on another HPU thread 7-31:</p>
<p>Reading the Kaplan guide, the consultant-to-the-wealthy (my words) “Smitty” names High Point as one of his favorites. He doesn’t appear to be a koolaid-drinker and I doubt he receives kickbacks. I wouldn’t think he would be dazzled by amenities either. Prior to 2008 he was a public school GC for almost 40 yrs in NY. HPU must have something going for it besides the steak house. </p>
<p>I haven’t received any replies/insights as to how these “in-the-know” people would all be snowed over by a “country club.”</p>
<p>I’m positive that the president of High Point could hold a meeting with all entering freshman and say: ‘look to the person on your left or right. There is about a 50 percent chance that he or she will not ever graduate this school, at least not over a six year period. I’m positive that about 1 out of 5 of you will bail to a better school before their sophomore year. I’m positive that many more will bail after their sophomore year. So, I’m positive that the best and brightest will be gone by your junior year - leaving the rest of you.’ </p>
<p>Personally, I’m very positive that a parent that may be investing most of his lifetime savings in his child’s education should be aware of what their kids are getting for all of their hard work. </p>
<p>I’m very positive that a young adult should question High Point’s marketing hype and strongly question where they want to invest their time and energy there. </p>
<p>I’m positive that parents of entering freshmen at HPU should be strongly advising their kids to make the absolute best of their freshman year. If HPU is right for them, all the better, if not they can do ‘one and done’ and upgrade. If they don’t, I’m pretty positive their options will be quite limited. </p>
<p>Your entire last post was essentially drivel. When you say things like “better school” and “the best and brightest” you are being what we call <em>subjective</em>. I alluded to this in my original post, but I didn’t point it out as prominently as I obviously should have.</p>
<p>No one on this forum wants to change your mind about HPU. Hell I don’t even attend the university, I was just reading up about it and couldn’t understand your personal hatred. I was just informing you that some of your supposed facts were not correct. When I quoted you saying this:</p>
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<p>I gave you a link. The link gave you all of the information that you needed to answer the questions you asked. If a school doesn’t have all of the information you want posted online, call them. And believe it or not, they just might not give you every statistic that you ask them. For some strange reason many universities elect to promote positive statistics, but I just can’t wrap my head around why.</p>
<p>Lastly, you are not a positive person. I see now that you aren’t negative, but rather quite bitter and hateful. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter, because forum readers will dismiss your posts as writings from someone who for some strange reason hates a university. Just pause on that thought - why so much vitriol over a university?</p>
<p>ctyankee, do you just scan threads about schools you don’t like and post negative things about them or are we the only unfortunate ones that have to put up with your ramblings? Like I suggested before, but for some reason you haven’t done so as of yet, MOVE ON. Why are you spending so much time and energy on a school that you clearly have something against?!? And speaking of being positive…I’m POSITIVE most people on this thread are sick and tired of reading your postings!</p>
<p>Apparently you can’t differentiate opinion or questions to another poster from “facts.” </p>
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<p>I’ll make it easy for those that do know what facts are. Find a single fact in this entire thread that I have stated as FACT but is actually INCORRECT and I’ll leave this thread alone. What a deal.</p>
<p>So, do we all agree that there will be no further acknowledgement of the postings by ctyankee? If so, let’s get on with our thread and use it for it’s intended purpose…to ask questions and receive answers, not to berate the school.</p>
<p>So, you led the charge up the hill and no one followed? Nothing to get down about, I’m sure it’s just that people on vacation or travel, like I’ve been doing. </p>
<p>But, now that I’m back, let’s get to those questions and answers.</p>
<p>Question:</p>
<p>It is moral or ethical for High Point University to require acceptance of their merit scholarships by March 31st - before regular decisions and/or awards are available from reputable colleges? </p>
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<p>Some would argue that college is merely a business transaction with ‘let the buyer beware’ governing all such transactions. But, High Point University serves themselves up as a **“God-and-country” school ** so I think a higher moral and ethical standard applies. Clearly, High Point University knows the regular decision deadlines of other schools and are deliberately forcing parents and students to make very tough decisions before they may know what other schools have accepted them (let alone what the financial package offer is from those schools). </p>
<p>College decisions can be very tough for families - many of them going through the process for the first time. It is quite possible that a family might be accepting a $7K scholarship from High Point when a $24 K scholarship is forthcoming from another school where the starting sticker price was higher yet the net payments would have been lower. To pressure families to ‘accept or lose’ merit scholarships before competing school information is in (when those other schools have adopted the generally accepted May 1st RD/EA deadline) is unfair and unethical. </p>
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<p>But as HPU has rolling admissions for RD applicants, shouldn’t HPU get scholarship acceptance responses from students faster as well? </p>
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<p>Applying to HPU and applying for a merit scholarship are two separate processes where merit scholarships application deadlines and notice are not on a rolling basis. Scholarships can be applied for before being accepted to HPU. </p>
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<p>Is it unethical for HPU to require students to physically go to High Point on specific dates to qualify for a merit scholarship? What about a family that does not have the time or money to manage that? </p>
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<p>That something poses difficulty does not make it unethical. Clearly, requiring aid applicants to come to High Point is a marketing ploy. Once there, they believe they can sell the applicant on the school - with the scholarship interviews merely a sub-twist to the main agenda. Many schools do this and I don’t see it as unethical. My one problem with this is around whether there is adequate disclosure. Do applicants really know what these scholarship payouts really are? The answer is no. A call to HPU garnered the information that 350 incoming freshmen have merit scholarships. When asked how many students were offered Presidential Scholarships ($9K) - the response was that it varied by year. When I asked about the incoming class that had the 350 scholarships cited, she said that she didn’t have that information by scholarship tier (although she did say the top scholarship (Keller 25K) was for two students). When I asked of the 350 scholarships cited, what was the grand total in dollars awarded - she told me that they don’t release that information. It seems pretty clear that scholarship dollars (which can be easily found for so many colleges) is not something they want the consumer to know. Certainly money available for scholarships vary year-by-year depending on alumini giving etc. but keeping consumers in the dark is not an ethical approach. Families should be able to understand (while nothing is guaranteed) at least the school’s best guess at the scholarship money available, the likely number of awards given and the number of students invited to the ‘dance’ if you’re going to put them through additional hoops.</p>
<p>Interesting Facts About the Freshmen Class!
This class represents the largest class of freshmen in High Point’s 85 year history</p>
<p>This class represents 39 different states and 14 foreign countries
This class represents the highest SAT (1089) and ACT (24) averages of any entering class in High Point University history
There are 11 National Merit Commended Scholars, 14 AP Scholar Award recipients, 6 Valedictorians and Salutatorians, and 35 students who served as president or vice-president of his or her school in this year’s class
16 members of this class earned the distinction of Eagle Scout or Gold Award recipient
The freshman class completed 706 AP exams for which they earned 1859 hours of class credit
Members of this class collectively earned 102 important athletic awards, including: 2 women’s basketball conference Players of the Year (both women also earned All-State honors), two United States Developmental Soccer Academy Finals participants, 6 men’s basketball All-Conference team members (2 were named conference Players of the Year), 1 young man was a 4-time basketball All-State selection in Pennsylvania and was named a pre-season All-American by Sporting News Magazine, 10 female soccer players earned All-Conference and All-Region honors, and 7 students earned the designation of black belt in their martial arts discipline</p>
<p>According to High Point University’s official website, the entering freshman class graduates this year (2010). If they can’t get the entering class right (2014), what other data are wrong? </p>
<p>Proof-checking? Basics? How embarrassing! </p>
<p>Perhaps one of the recent posters with an affiliation to the school might give them a little call to alert them before the Class of 2015 looks elsewhere. ;)</p>
<p>Has anyone made hotel reservations for Family Weekend as of yet? I think the Courtyard is already full but I may be wrong. Last time we checked there were still some rooms available at the Best Western. HPU offers shuttles to/from both hotels. Time is flying by and the weekend will be upon us before we know it. Don’t want anyone to miss the opportunity to stay at one of them to ease the parking issue that will undoubtedly occur. Looking forward to it and hope you’re able to join us!</p>
<p>Courtyard is our favorite. Was there two weeks ago and worth the extra $$. Also stayed at La Quinta in Greensboro and that was great - just a little further drive.</p>
<p>My friend just visited from PA with her daughter and ended up cancelling her visits to Elon and Guilford effectively ending her college search upon finishing her day at HPU. She will file Early Decision with HPU.</p>