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Well not exactly virgins, but I bet they wouldn’t want their wife to have as many partners as they did.</p>
<p>I just don’t see how it’s discrimination.</p>
<p>I mean, there are tons of examples of how the government rewards certain groups of people over other groups. This is done through all types of programs, so I don’t see how rewarding men and women the privelege of marriage, is any different from the countless other examples out there.</p>
<p>^ Hopefully there is a good rationale for giving different rewards to different people. If there were not, the system would be unjust. But you knew that.</p>
<p>Is there a good rationale for allowing heterosexuals to marry but not homosexuals to marry?</p>
<p>It can’t be for reproduction or because the government is in the business of rewarding ‘natural’ things.</p>
<p>If the point of government sanction of marriage is to reward behavior that leads to well adjusted kids, perhaps the government should be sanctioning lesbian marriage, and ending the support of heterosexual marriage. :)</p>
<p>"Being raised by a same-sex couple is no hindrance to healthy psychological development, researchers say as the first generation of children conceived by lesbians through donor insemination is coming of age.</p>
<p>In fact, lesbian mothers rated their 17-year-olds higher in social and academic skills, and lower in rule-breaking and aggression, than did mothers of teenagers who also had a father.</p>
<p>The study, which appears in the journal Pediatrics, is the first to follow children of lesbian couples all the way from conception to adolescence."</p>
<p>[Children</a> of lesbian couples do well, study finds - Kids and parenting- msnbc.com](<a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37553783/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/]Children”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37553783/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/)</p>
<p>^That’s good.</p>
<p>BIGeastBEAST says, “Second, I don’t care what you say. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.” </p>
<p>Your blatant ignorance is evidently coming to the surface here. From this statement, the only conclusion I can make is that you know I am correct because you can’t give evidence to support your claim. As a student at the university with the highest gay population in the country, I consider myself more than qualified to speak on the matter: I GUARANTEE that if you ask any gay person on this planet if homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, the answer will be NO. </p>
<p>On religion: It is true that violence stems from bad morals and poor decisions, but this is quite a generalization. I don’t think religions inherently promote bad morals, but they undeniably cause conflict. Look at not just the Middle East, but places in Europe where subtle religious differences cause outrageous amounts of killing, torture, etc. and tell me that religion, for all the good it does for people in the world, is not a cause of violence.</p>
<p>^Do you go to American? lol I heard they have the most amount of gay people. Or are you talking about San Francisco as a city itself.</p>
<p>BTW, I support Civil Unions, I think it’s a pretty good compromise.</p>
<p>Sorry anyone I offend but I’m strictly anti-gay marriage, for the following reason:</p>
<p>In my opinion, any homosexual couple that marries is making a bad judgement call in terms of their overall impact. The said couple, if married, will not directly affect society, as far as behavior, habits, etc. goes. However, what happens after the gay marriage will most likely damage society to some extent. </p>
<p>Once the couple is married, at the very least in law, they will inevitably begin to strive for the rights of all married couples, which is where I strictly draw the line. My belief that gay marriage is wrong is lenient until the couple reaches for the same rights as those deserved by almost all heterosexual couples. It is at this point that the couple begins demanding equal treatment for gay couples, namely the right to adopt or bring children under the “parenthood” of the couple. But is a homosexual couple entitled to this, the influence on the future generation? The way I see it, it might make the “parents” happy, but it will in no way provide the upraising that every child deserves.</p>
<p>As it happens, the child of gay parents is usually more tolerant of other groups, as shown in studies, yet this child is not at all beneficial to society. First of all, in terms of personal development, the child will grow up confused about the human norm and in effect will likely preach homosexuality to peers, confusing them too about what is and is not acceptable in society, as dictated by circumstance. </p>
<p>Anecdotal evidence exists in my personal experience, concerning the case of a boy my mother taught, who has homosexual male parents. Note that my family is not a bunch of raging homopobics, and that I’m simply interpreting casual conversation between the two of us. In the case of this boy, whom I rather pity, the parents, as stated, are two homosexual men. The boy, who should be otherwise normal, has grown to be rather strange under these parents. For example, he has taken to very feminine dress and activities, though he is far past that period of more ambiguous gender-divided behavior as found in younger children. </p>
<p>In the case of the boy above, I believe that his adoptive parents were the largest, if not sole cause of this inexplicable behavior. He should have been normal, ignoring the fact that he was orphaned, which is a rather small factor considering the large numbers of orphaned children who grow up normally with heterosexual adoptive parents. My guesses all aim at one likelihood: that the lack of the opposite gender in the household has embedded in him a desire to represent females in his all-male household.</p>
<p>Basically, what I’m saying is that unlike what many people say, a homosexual couple CAN do and sometimes DOES damage society if only because of their sexuality.</p>
<p>Also, addressing the comparison made by some between homosexual and interracial marriages: in my opinon, this comparison simply can not be made, reason being that there is a very distinct line between the two. Whereas sex is easily distinguishable and definable, race is more of an abstract term, mixed in much of the world population, an when saying the word ‘race’, one must be careful about the application of the term, seeing as ‘race’ as used today is barely acceptable, since there is only one true race:that of humans.</p>
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<p>This is a disgusting example of the slippery slope fallacy. Being homosexual does not indicate that an individual has no morals, leads a “bad life,” or makes “bad decisions.”</p>
<p>The vacuity of your posts and commensurate lack of logical reasoning is, quite frankly, horrifying.</p>
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<p>You are employing anecdotal evidence to prove a point - this strays from the basic tenets of logic. How has the boy hurt society by dressing without a traditional macho flair? You still haven’t proved anything.</p>
<p>I agree. The boy can decide on his own. Just because he was brought up by two gay men and may act a bit “feminine” does not mean he is a disgrace upon society. Society and the nation are two different things. f*** the society! What are we, communists? Our nation is about being free, these homosexuals have the right to practice their own beliefs. If they believe that they should have the right to marry, then they have the right to. They are not physically hurting you.</p>
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<p>What a monstrous and disgusting generalization.</p>
<p>Seriously. If the children of homosexuals aren’t beneficial, then what does that say about the parents of monsters like Jeff Dahmer and Richard Ramirez? They were raised by a heterosexual couple. Dahmer’s parents divorced when he was 17, hardly ‘formative years.’</p>
<p>This is a disgusting example of the slippery slope fallacy. Being homosexual does not indicate that an individual has no morals, leads a “bad life,” or makes “bad decisions.”</p>
<p>The vacuity of your posts and commensurate lack of logical reasoning is, quite frankly, horrifying. ~ Ksarmand</p>
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<p>What is horrifying is your eager attempts to make false assumptions.</p>
<p>In the post you quoted, I never bundled homosexuals with in with the people I was talking about. I simply said that problems in our society come from people leading bad lives and make bad decisions, which is true. You inserted homosexuals, not me.</p>
<h2>If they believe that they should have the right to marry, then they have the right to. ~rokangel</h2>
<p>Wow…is that how it works? If you believe you are entitled to something you get it?</p>
<p>Ok, here is goes. I believe I have the right to $10 Million dollars…I will let you know when it shows up at my door stop.</p>
<p>If it doesn’t hurt others, who cares. People should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they aren’t harming others or restricting other people’s rights. Why do people honestly care if their gay neighbors get married? It really doesn’t erode morals any more than a welfare state does, or alcohol, or gambling. It’s not the government job to say what is and is not “right” when other people are not in harms way. The government is there to ensure the protection of individual rights. That’s it.</p>
<p>@Gottahavawawa: So your entire argument against gay marriage is that it damages society by influencing younger generations to believe that homosexuality is acceptable. You will, then, forgive those of us who do support homosexuality and seek widespread acceptance of it in society for finding your argument completely baseless. Open-mindedness, tolerance and acceptance are not damaging to society — but the opposite is.</p>
<p>I’m happy and thankful to see so many people supportive of the GLB community on here. Even though there are many anti-gay-marriage posts, they are all from the same two or three people and are rooted in veiled hatred and not logic. I think it’s heartening to see they are afraid to admit they are homophobic - it shows that, perhaps subconsciously, they know that they are wrong.</p>
<p>I’m also happy that people whose career it is to push these arguments are no better at doing so than these bigoted high schoolers, and that in a very short time we’re likely going to be seeing Prop 8 reversed by the courts, which is now where marriage equality must and will come from.</p>
<p>@Gottahavawawa: So your entire argument against gay marriage is that it damages society by influencing younger generations to believe that homosexuality is acceptable. You will, then, forgive those of us who do support homosexuality and seek widespread acceptance of it in society for finding your argument completely baseless. Open-mindedness, tolerance and acceptance are not damaging to society — but the opposite is. ~Notamushroom</p>
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<p>Well, many people think homosexuality is immoral, perverted and goes against their values. I don’t think it’s fair to ask them to accept something that they think is wrong.</p>
<p>One guy giving another guy a BJ is just two perverts who can’t control their urges, there’s certainly nothing uplifting about it.</p>