<p>Which is not Christianity. Article 11 from the treaty:</p>
<p>As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.</p>
<p>Dumb arguments I’ve heard are:
if we allow same sexes to marry, then man can marry their dogs…
marriage is sacred b/t a man and a woman, only </p>
<p>I’m not into politics, but doesn’t the Constitution say there would be no discrimination against people on the basis of sex, religion, orientation, ethnicity, etc? How is this allowed when there are laws against same sex marriage? I don’t get why people say marriage is sacred when there are TONS of divorce in America (divorace rate is pretty high). You can get married in a Chapel in Vegas and no one would care, I really don’t lilke the sacredness of marriage argument. The getting married to a dog is just plain stupid argument…</p>
<p>^Because people’s morals effect the constitution, my opinion. Religious or not, people do have morals and when they think something is wrong they try to speak out. Honestly, I think it is absolutely stupid how badly people react, sometimes it is just immature. One of my biggest issues are with abortion and how much people hate them. I’m pro-choice and I believe the woman has a right to get an abortion. If you disagree then do not associate yourself with abortion. Yet, there are many people going out KILLING abortion doctors, okay now that is hypocrisy…</p>
<p>^I agree with you, people are hypocritical for being violent towards homosexuals if they are against gay marriage or killing abortion doctors if they don’t believe in abortion. Just two of the many ways that people do not treat homosexuals or abortion supporters with respect.</p>
<p>Personally I am not for gay marriage or abortion but I think there are ways to be “against” something but be peaceful about it. For example, I think that if you are against abortion, setting up a center where you can teach single mothers how to raise a child would be a good way to channel your dislike for abortion. As for homosexuality, I am against “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. I think that if you are serving in the military, you should have the right to be whoever you want to be and not be forced to suppress that. I am able to be in agreement with civil unions, just not marriage.</p>
<p>I am still young and am still thinking a lot of this through though.</p>
<p>Ok back to maintaining my “vow” of silence haha</p>
<p>^Yeah, but I do think that protesting is absolutely immature about a certain subject. I mean, yes you may totally be against it but at least set up stuff where it is secret. Such as the own a business to teach single mothers how to raise a child. But going out and protesting about how it is wrong I think it absolutely stupid, too.</p>
<p>^I agree too. I will not protest against something such as gay marriage or abortion, but on the other hand, if the discussion comes up, I don’t think I should suppress my opinion because it’s not a popular viewpoint (or to some people, not logical).</p>
<p>^Yes. Although, I used to LOVE agruments, I absolutely hate them now. It just starts so many fights and nobody ever wins. So whenever somebody brings up religion I just keep it to myself unless they’re attacking me about it. Nobody can change your opinion, so why even try?</p>
<p>In the bible, God only thinks divorce is allowable only if adultery is committed. Once adultery is committed, the sacred promise between the man and the women is broken.
Real Christians do not hate homosexuals, they just don’t agree with their lifestyle. I’m a christian, my dad is a pastor and I have never missed a day of church in my life. Me and my dad agree that homosexuals should be able to marry.God has given us the possibility to make choices. You and me are not the final judges, God is.</p>
<p>So if somebody is homosexual they’re going to go to hell? For what? Falling in love? That makes so sense, so you can be a murderer but found god and decided to take the “right” path and goes to heaven. Yet, a person who is gay who did volunteering and gave money to charity would go to hell BECAUSE he is gay and God does not agree?</p>
<p>^that’s a great viewpoint, diamond537, and I think I’ll have to agree with that. Maybe gay marriage is ok then. It’s not up to me to impress my beliefs on other people if they don’t even believe it. God is the final judge</p>
<p>and r0kAng3l, I don’t believe in the “I’m a good person, so I’m going to heaven.” I believe that we’ve all done bad things in our life and volunteering and giving money does not “cancel” out that. The only thing that cancels that is Jesus Christ’s death on the cross. If you choose to not follow God’s commands and do not believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross, you are in a sense giving God the middle finger. And God because he loves you will give you what you want, which is an afterlife apart from him. Why should he let you into heaven if you don’t have any intention on trying to follow what he says?</p>
<p>Again, that’s just my opinion, and I won’t argue a lot about this since as you said “it goes nowhere”. That’s just what I believe.</p>
<p>Gay marriage is fine. If you guys dont believe in it, thats cool, your beliefs are your beliefs. But, you cannot tell someone who is gay that they cannot marry for the sole reason that you dont agree with the premise.</p>
<p>“You and me are not the final judges, God is”</p>
<p>-100% agree</p>
<p>“So if somebody is homosexual they’re going to go to hell? For what? Falling in love? That makes so sense, so you can be a murderer but found god and decided to take the “right” path and goes to heaven. Yet, a person who is gay who did volunteering and gave money to charity would go to hell BECAUSE he is gay and God does not agree?”</p>
<p>-No of us know how we are going to be judge IMHO</p>
<p>@r0kAng3l God is a forgiving God, he knows a persons heart. You worry about yourself. People should not judge other people, because it is not up to them, it is up to God. I don’t think just because a person is gay, that they will go to hell. Being a homosexual could count as a sin, but people sin everyday and God knows that it is easy to sin with all these worldly foolish things in the world that are pleasing to us, but not good for us. Tatoos, piercing and etc is something God doesn’t like but millions of people have them. Like I said God knows a persons heart.</p>
<p>The entire class- including my professor- looked at me like I just grew two more heads.</p>
<p>Nobody clapped except a friend of mine.</p>
<p>In grading my presentation, my professor simply stated what his opinions were and said that they were the right opinions.</p>
<p>It was humiliating and completely, completely rude.</p>
<p>If people are happy together, let them be happy. It is NOT effecting you. And who are we to tell gay people that they can be together when our own divorce rate is so high? That’s just shameful!</p>