<p>Prestige does help with getting a good job because it gives you an opening into the job market through recruitment--but you need to use that opening to sell yourself. </p>
<p>The problem is academia doesn't necessarily translate into the world outside of it. That's what many asians don't understand, I think. The handshake is equally important as the resume. (Personally asian, by the way)</p>
<p>Shut up you wicked ***asshul coward. Don't like your comments. You better go to a community college. Curse you!</p>
<p>Well, also I do agree that Asians put too much emphasis on prestige, it is also important to recognize where this prestige comes from. For example, say you want to do Ibanking or some kind of finance, which seems to be what ur interested in (MBAs and Business admin), if you want to even want to get the top banks to even look at you, you've gotta be ivies with UCLA the lowest you can go. These schools are prestigious because after graduation, you can get a lot better job placement. In economics for example, we can say that the prestigious college degree is sort of a guarantee to the employers that you already had a pre-screen in intelligence and other factors, and that the company won't regret hiring you. Also, if you want to go to a good grad school, you are fooling yourself if you think a bad undergrad school could still get you into the top grad schools. Take a look at Harvard Law School's demographics, even UCB and UCLA only get like 30 people in there while Harvard has over 230 people and Yale has over 100 even while having substantially smaller student bodies. It is true that prestige can't be overemphasized, but you are a fool if you think that there is no basis for picking a more prestigious school over another.</p>
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<p>True. But I tend to be of the belief that the 30 at UCLA or Cal who get into HLS would've gotten into HLS anywhere. If you're hot, you're hot.</p>
<p>i am asian (korean-american) and I do agree with your comment to some extent. Yes, asians do have a tendency to lean towards the prestigious schools, but your indignation is not entirely our fault. you don't understand the types of backgrounds we come from. coming from a suburb in illinois, many of my asian friends have gone to the ivies because they've worked extremely hard during high school along with other talents to become all-star students. our parents raised us to try our hardest in EVERYTHING; you know not of the sacrifices our parents went thru to achieve the "American Dream." they only want us to live our life to the fullest because they left their lives in Asia. It's hard growing up as an Asian American.</p>
<p>You had me up until here:</p>
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<p>If you were my Korean friends who grew up in the mean streets of LA, I'd agree with you. But a suburb of Illinois? Eh...</p>
<p>LoL.</p>
<p>I think its some kind of perverted group think to justify selfishness.</p>
<p>Why do most asians want to go to the ivies? Their parents have pressured them so much that they think anything less than a 6 figure job is "failure." And they've convinced them the only way to get a 6 figure job is to go to a top school and become a doctor most times.</p>
<p>My dad always rode me to become a doctor talking about how he would've become one had he not had me. Why would it matter? If he really wanted to help people he could've done well in his current job and donate money to charity or volunteer more to help make up for it. He does not do any of these things. Many asian parents don't do any of these things either. </p>
<p>It's all about selfishness and money. And when you do volunteer jobs, its not about helping you become a better person; its about "will it look good on the college application?"</p>
<p>I say that ivy-leage resources are wasted on many asians, they are just there for the moolah; more so than any other group, and will fail to donate money or help society. </p>
<p>From personal experience, I also find that there to be a singificant "conversation-gap" for asians. That is the level of intelligent conversation you can have with an asian is often much lower than you would expect from a similar person of another race with the same credentials and grades. </p>
<p>The biggest problem with asian culture is that it forces people to do anything to achieve these long-term goals which may not be right for the person's talents. Yeah, nobody wants to be poor, but making someone a doctor when they probably belong in a relaxed 40k a year job? </p>
<p>ITs just greed and pride.</p>
<p>this thread (and in particular the last post) isn't racist or overgeneralizing in the least.</p>
<p>Its only racist if you says its true for all asians.</p>
<p>yeah. I never said ALL ASIANS are greedy people that only know prestige and the Ivy. If I was to say that, it would also include myself.</p>
<p>If I was insulting or sounded racist, sorry. I am not good at combing posts with a politically correct filter.</p>
<p>Just assume when something which implies "all" or "most" asians acutally means "many."</p>
<p>I particularly dislike these people because they make me look bad too as a fellow asian by association.</p>
<p>dont worry i understood you.</p>
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<p>Sure, it's a different kind of difficulty growing up, but suburbs can be extremely hard for Asian-Americans. Especially if you live in a suburb where there are hardly any other minority families. You're not in danger of losing your life or getting maimed, but you might have to put up with always being viewed as a foreigner, the odd one out, which could trigger the furious angst of identity crisis...not fun.</p>
<p>Growing up in the mean streets of L.A. should be hard for everyone who lives there, not just Asian-Americans (and I imagine it's worse for African-Americans).</p>
<p>I'm Asian myself, and I know several others who don't behave like the OP's friend. Sure, our parents want us to go to Harvard, Yale, etc. but a lot us actual children understand that realistically, they might not be good fits or we might not be able to get in.</p>
<p>I think the OP's friend sounds more like an arrogant and ignorant fool than an Asian generalization.</p>
<p>Asians tend to fill middle manager positions.</p>
<p>To get in the the very top jobs requires aggression and not being afraid of failure, because its all about networking and constantly trying and failing and improving. </p>
<p>This is very American and very different from what many asian cultures preach. Its the main reason why so many America is successful.</p>
<p>Asians dominate top positions as well. BTW -I was an anthro major at an Ivy and am doing my dream job after my MBA from a top school. You are wrong in a way too Kevin, in many areas your major is irrelevant. Top firms recruit at the Ivies.</p>
<p>Well I'm going to USC and I'm proud! WOOT (although my brother goes to an Ivy) I asked people in Korea and they perceive it as a good school (with lot of spoiled rich children) but seeing how i'm not rich @ all i guess it woudl hardly matter.</p>
<p>They don't "dominate" top positions. And let me guess, you majored in anthropology because you were "interested" in it and not because it was an easy A. And your "dream" job involves a lot, lot of money. And you spend your money helping charities instead of expensive doo-dads to show off to your friends who are keeping score.</p>
<p>LoL.</p>
<p>Do have any statistics to back up your claims? Like at all?</p>
<p>UCB: 35.8% Asian
UCLA: 38.8% Asian
UCSD: 39.4% Asian</p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>