Ask a Desautels student (Q + A)

<p>Hey, I just recently realized both BA and BCom students can take the Joint honours in Economics and Finance program. Is there any difference as the tuition fee for BCom is significaly higher, especially for International Applicants.</p>

<p>^^Yep, I have the exact same question</p>

<p>There is a tuition differential and yes for international students it is a very large difference. As a result a few of my international friends do the Joint Honours route. The program is quite excellent (one of my friends is working at JP. Morgan this summer and he is pursuing a BA Joint Honours + Finance)</p>

<p>That being said, this is McGill and there are some drawbacks to the program.
a) You have to take the Honours economics degree. This is probably the biggest drawback. Please do not understate the difficult of the Honours Economics degree. The students I know pursuing it are some of the hardest working people I know and still end up with relatively low marks after extensive studying. A Finance Major will be demanding, just not to the level of Honours Economics.</p>

<p>b) As a result of taking the Honours Econ Degree you will have to take MATH 133/MATH140/MATH143 sequence. As a Management student who took MATH 123. MATH 123 is usually referred to as the easiest math class at McGill. Literally could be the easiest ā€œAā€ to come by in McGill Management (not curved as it is delivered by the Faculty of Science)</p>

<p>c) According to my friend, you will not be able to access Management Career Services and participate in Management On-Campus Recruitment.</p>

<p>d) Once youā€™re in Faculty of Arts incredibly hard to transfer to Management. It is easy to Minor in Management very hard to actually inter-faculty transfer, Desautels only is right now letting in a handful of people a year (Literally mean a handful-I would approximate at most 10-20/year) transfer into the BCom Program out of X amount of transfers (this includes non-McGill students transferring into the program). If you decide on the other hand to transfer from BCom to BA its relatively easier granted you have the marks to stay at McGill.</p>

<p>Unfortunately thatā€™s the best answer I can give you right. I would advise you to speak to other current McGill students, contact an academic advisor and perhaps Financial Aid and Scholarships if cost is a concern.</p>

<p>Overall the BA Joint Honors is highly respected, and I know that weā€™re all talented individuals here I will just end with saying that there is a reason why it is the road less traveled and a reason why McGill is happy to allow students to pay the BA vs BCom route (this is not a loophole, the attrition rate for Honours Econ is very high and its a relatively small program). This is a major decision so please give it some thought and contact as many people as you know</p>

<p>Thanks, just one last question.</p>

<p>Iā€™ve been led to believe that McGill students do 30 credits per term. Does this mean that 60 credit courses like the Joint honours are completed within 2 years?</p>

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<p>Hey, I have some questions about Carrefour Sherbrooke, which seems to really fit me ā€¦ but :

  • How is the cafeteria ā€¦ I heard the food was a bit bad ??
  • What about the atmosphere in the rez? is it tight knit? is it partying a lot? having fun ? is there many events organized inside the rez ?
  • How are the ā€œlarge double roomsā€ ā€¦ I guess thatā€™s the one which have two rooms in one ā€œsuiteā€ ??
  • Iā€™m also a very sport guy, so is the gym inside CS good ? Is the stadium/gym/tennis courts really far away from CS ?</p>

<p>Thank you for your answer ā€¦ and if you have other tips, tell them ;)</p>

<p>a) McGill students take 15 credits per term or 30 credits per year. Keep in mind that your major does not include the Management Core which is 36 credits alone, i.e for a Major in Accounting, BCom there are 66 mandatory credits for U1 and 66+Freshman Program for U0 students.</p>

<p>b) The people in Carrefour were lovely and I had an amazing time. That being said the cafeteria is definitely probably one of the worse out of all the Residences, and youā€™ll bond with your fellow rezmates about the quality of the food. Literally a topic everyone could talk about.</p>

<p>The rez is a hotel-style residences so itā€™s really what you make out of it. It wonā€™t be the same as traditional residences but then again people who would pick a hotel style rez self-select. To each their own.</p>

<p>In terms of parties, a lot of predrinks happen every weekend, and the rez council threw some memorable parties. Living in Montreal people will tend to either go to house parties (if they know older students) or go out to St-Laurent/Crescent/St-Dennis</p>

<p>The rooms are different because of the previous use of the Rez as a hotel, that being said Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s quite random how you get one of the bigger rooms (worth it because the differential does not compensate at all for how much extra space there is)</p>

<p>The gym at C4 has one weight machine, a few bikes and treadmills. I go the gym regularly and itā€™s a five minute walk up the hill</p>

<p>Iā€™ll be here in Montreal this summer so Iā€™ll love to continue answering all your questions/If not see you for the most amazing (five-tenatively) days of your life at Frosh</p>

<p>Thanks a lot for your very precise answer :smiley: It makes me wanna go to C4 !! Just one last question ā€¦ is it possible to eat at RVC caf ? And is it not hard to go there in winter ?</p>

<p>Thanks again !</p>

<p>My admission status still appears as ā€œTo be reviewed.ā€ Should I take this as rejection-likely? :(</p>

<p>Please consult the MFDS website for more details about Meal Plans. </p>

<p>Basically the mandatory meal plan has a large amount of ā€œHome Baseā€ dollars which must be used at your home base, for RVC/UpperRez your home base is BMH, RVC caf and Douglas, and for New Rez/C4 the home bases are New Rez and C4 cafeterias. Basically this is because McGill Food and Dining operates RVC, Douglas and BMH while C4 and New Rez are operated by Aramark, a private corporation.</p>

<p>The gym is tough to get to in the winter, but I was a cross country runner back in High School. Honestly everything is tough to get to in the winter, even the walk from C4 to Bronfman was hard some days. </p>

<p>Cheers, and enjoy the rest of your summer!</p>

<p>I see what youā€™re talking about ! Thanks a lot ā€¦ About food, anyway itā€™s just one year, and in my high school itā€™s known to be disgusting so Iā€™m kind of used to it, I guess.
So I think Iā€™ll put C4 as my favorite rez ! </p>

<p>Thanks again for your time. Have a good summer !</p>

<p>Hello, ok basically next fall Iā€™ll be entering the Bcom in U1 and I have to declare my major before I go there.</p>

<p>I was wondering if that decision is final, as Iā€™m leaning towards the Honours in Econ program but I would be interested in the Joint Honours Econ + finance program.</p>

<p>I have read from your answers that U1 is mostly core courses, but do you need to take special MATH classes for the Honours program? (do they count as electives?)
Obviously Iā€™m interested in a career in banking, and I would like to know if the Honours in econ is respected.</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>Your major choice in U1 is not final because everyone has to do the same core classes. That being said Joint Honors have to follow a significantly different track from the rest of Management students (Finance, Accounting, OB/HR, Marketing). The Math classes for Joint Honours is the regular math classes MATH 140/141 and the ECON component of core classes is also replaced.</p>

<p>As Iā€™ve said in previous posts the Honours in Econ is respected. The Honours program is an excellent program but the Major in Finance is as good, and students also do well in recruitment. If you are looking to do S+T/IBanking either the Honors in Econ or the Major in Finance will be suitable.</p>

<p>MATH 140/141 and the Honors Econ classes are not jokes, they are quite tough and quite a few people drop from Honors Econ to Regular Econ, please note that from personal experience the Honors Econs students are some of the best students here at McGill and that theses classes can be curved. Keep in mind that the desuatels curve is already around a B-B+ (65-75) and some of the class averages can be lower.</p>

<p>MATH 141 in a tough course, doable but tough. Google it if you want more information. I took MATH 123 (for Management) and got my first A in math since grade 9. The difference, to put it quite simply is night and day.</p>

<p>As a side note, ā€œobviously interested in bankingā€ :slight_smile: is a comment that doesnā€™t quite describe Desautels students. While Finance might be one of the, if not most popular major there are many students pursuing Accounting, OB/HR and Marketing degrees. If you look at the salary survey of BCom students on the Desautels website, only 27% of graduating students pursue jobs in Finance. As a prospective student I used to think that people wanted to go into banking, coming to Business School is a different reality than is the common perception.</p>

<p>[Employment</a> data | Desautels - McGill University](<a href=ā€œhttp://www.mcgill.ca/desautels/career/bcom/data]Employmentā€>http://www.mcgill.ca/desautels/career/bcom/data)</p>

<p>Hope that answered your question, feel free to PM me and Iā€™ll love to keep on answering some more questions.</p>

<p>Seems quite unfair that most of your classes are curved tbh. Its like instant death if your unlucky enough to be around too many smart people.</p>

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<p>No, it is instant death if you are around too many hard working people, and are arenā€™t.</p>

<p>Hi. I was wondering if I will hurt my chances of getting into an MBA if I take courses like sculpture or creative writing (Iā€™m going to the management department this fall). Also, sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is a ā€œbirdā€ class?</p>

<p>Really donā€™t know too much about MBAā€™s to be honest, because a) Accounting Major and b) getting a MBA after three years of business schoolā€¦would be a lot of Management Classes.
Plenty of people take elective classes, i.e anywhere from Sociology to Spanish.</p>

<p>ā€œBird classesā€ are relatively easy classes that are well known to give relatively high marks (think class averages in the B+ or A- range). Note that I said relatively easy, theyā€™re still classes at McGill so nothing is going to be a walk in the park.</p>

<p>Whatā€™s the deference between U0 and U1?</p>

<p>U0 is freshman (first) year, while U1 is your second year</p>

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<p>Hey rosexc, I liked your responses. I have a question though, Iā€™m joining U0 MechEng next year. Can I take a minor Management or maybe even a double major in Eng and Management? Do you have any information about the internships and employment opportunities for engineering students? When can students get involved with their professorā€™s research? Iā€™m an anglophone btw. Thanks for your help.</p>

<p>You should take a look on your department website Daredevili. Two minutes of digging got me this:</p>

<p><a href=ā€œhttps://secureweb.mcgill.ca/mecheng/sites/mcgill.ca.mecheng/files/studenthandbook2012_13updated_april302012.pdf[/url]ā€>https://secureweb.mcgill.ca/mecheng/sites/mcgill.ca.mecheng/files/studenthandbook2012_13updated_april302012.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I doubt youā€™ll fit that minor in.</p>