<p>Have you taken Financial Accounting with Little or Marketing with Perosio? How were they?</p>
<p>@Saugus
F.A. - takes no brain power. accounting is just straight memorization. concepts behind the financial statements are extremely simple. the only ‘hard’ part is seeing how the 3 statements are connected together, but that’s basically just memorization.</p>
<p>Marketing - It was a joke. I think I might have spent honestly 10 hours on that class the entire semester and got an A. However, I’ve heard that they changed it from AEM 2400+2410 to AEM 2420 or something which combines Marketing and Marketing Plan Development. I never took the new class so I can’t really help you with that.</p>
<p>They didn’t. It’s still Marketing 2400, though RateMyProfessors has pretty bad reviews about Perosio.</p>
<p>And really? I heard Financial Accounting is hard. Did you have Little?</p>
<p>@Saugus
Marketing - I did not like Perosio as both a teacher and person, but, honestly, I never needed to go to class. Prelims were basically the practice questions rephrased.</p>
<p>FA - Do the practice problems, and you’ll be fine IMO. If you want, I heard that Hotel Fin. Accounting is easier, and I’ve had instances where my advisor let me substitute Hotel classes for my Dyson requirements.</p>
<p>How quantitative are they? I’m already taking Intermediate Micro and I’m more a humanities person.</p>
<p>@Saugus</p>
<p>Marketing isn’t quant at all. FA is only ‘quant’ if you consider addition/subtraction/multiplication/division ‘quant.’</p>
<p>So there’s no calculus or algebra in Accounting at all? Cool, I thought it would be math-intensive. What about Finance with Curtis?</p>
<p>@Saugus</p>
<p>Curtis is a rough grader, but finance itself isn’t too difficult conceptually. Just be careful and get lots of practice doing problems, and it shouldn’t be bad.</p>
<p>Just a side note on classes, I’ve never thought an AEM class was ‘hard.’ Most people agree with me. Just do your work and keep up in class and you’ll be perfectly fine. You have to be ■■■■■■■■ to have lower than 3.5 in AEM.</p>
<p>Granted, Curtis is a tool and I didn’t like him. Tries to come as tough and overbearing but I see right through it. However, if you can’t get an A in his class, best to lower your expectations for where/if you work on the Street. I got an A+ in his class.</p>
<p>Saugus, who ever sold you on accounting being math-intensive? Yes, there’s math in Finance, and if you don’t like that you should consider another field.</p>
<p>Yeah, I’ve heard bad things about Curtis. If his class is really that bad, then I’ll just take Hotel Finance. I’m not an AEM major but am minoring in business.</p>
<p>Dyson was rated high in the UG business schools. Why do you think that? I am a little surprised to hear that the workload is kind of light… thought you had to study hard math in order to find jobs in IB.</p>
<p>@powergoose
A couple reasons for our higher ranking.
- We’re at Cornell
- Just because the courseload is light doesn’t mean AEM kids aren’t bright.
- Dyson kids usually get good jobs, which is partially a byproduct of reasons 1 and 2.</p>
<p>Not sure why you thought you had to study ‘hard math’ to get a job in investment banking.</p>
<p>I guess on the S&T side, you might need stronger math skills if you’re in an exotic product… Or if you were at a quant hedge fund that uses stuff like stat arb.</p>
<p>But, for the actual investment banking division (i.e. m&a and cap raises), higher level math isn’t needed.</p>
<p>I know that when you say “IB”, you mean it in a sense regarding to college; however, would being in the IB Program in High School (and doing considerably well) really distinguish me as a freshman applicant?</p>
<p>@chargres12121</p>
<p>IB refers to investment banking.</p>
<p>I’ve never heard such hog wash till now:</p>
<p>Cornelljunior:</p>
<ol>
<li>With schools like U Virginia and Notre Dame surpassing Cornell in these “rankings”, name doesn’t make up rankings that much obviously. Suggest you research wth the basis of Bloomberg’s rankings are on.</li>
<li>I’ve met AEM kids whine and moan about how hard certain classes are. Few actually challenging themselves. We got some awesome classes in AEM with professors like Vicki Bogan and Edith Liu yet so many shy away from her class. I took her Investment Management class this semester and one after another people would complain about it and drop it. Why do you think we have a certain rep on-campus?</li>
<li>Depends.</li>
</ol>
<p>This thread is a worth read for people considering UG business school:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/808375-what-better-business-major-econ.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/808375-what-better-business-major-econ.html</a></p>
<p>Many posters on that thread were in real life lawyers, business school professors, marketing consultants…graduates of some top tier schools. Post #8 and #18 are worth reading. It is their perspective (looking back) of liberal arts education vs UG business education. I would encourage AEM students to take as many courses in A&S as possible - econ, psychology, philosophy, to round off their education. </p>
<p>For what it is worth, I think OP is right on the money with many of his/her posts.</p>
<p>@oldfort
Thank you for the vote of confidence. I have the same sentiments about being an undergrad business major. Looking back, I would have probably double majored in math and philosophy if I could do this over again.</p>
<p>Being in AEM, I’ve definitely felt like I’m attending a ‘trade school’ in a lot of my classes, rather than an institution of ‘higher learning.’ This was one of my main rationale for double majoring.</p>
<p>@Unibames
I don’t really feel like dealing with your belligerent attitude. Good luck in the real world. Your obtuseness and boorish behavior, which is evident in both your style of prose and your opinions, are going to get you far in life.</p>
<p>Ah, investment banking. </p>
<p>How embarrassing.</p>
<p>hi! got accepted to cas
and was thinking of double majoring chem+econ
would chem even be useful for IB? (it is an interest of mine which is why i ask) or if i want to double major should i do something like physics/math
also is BB recruiting good from CAS? i keep hearing that cornell is average for recruiting and that only aem has a chance at BB</p>
<p>@chess2520
Chem is a perfectly fine major. Any major is fine as long as you have a strong GPA, but bankers usually do like STEM majors vs something like an English Lit major. </p>
<p>Chem isn’t directly useful to investment banking, but if you want to do something like a healthcare coverage group, it can add merit to your story.</p>
<p>Recruiting is university wide for most investment banks/financial services companies. So no problem there.</p>
<p>Cornell has ‘average’ recruiting for a ‘target’ shool if that makes sense. We have all the BB’s except CS+MS come and do OCR (CS has no presence at Cornell at all anymore, while MS takes resume drops but no OCR), and the banks take a pretty decent amount of interns. Lazard also recruits at Cornell OCR. Then we get some strong/decent middle market banks (Guggenheim, Macquarie, Nomura, etc.)</p>
<p>However, we’re not a target for places like Greenhill, Evercore, (top boutiques) + Peter J Solomon, Jefferies, Lincoln International Chicago (top middle markets), etc. Some of these banks take resume drops from Cornell while others don’t. However, getting an offer from a first round non-core school phone screen vs getting an offer from a core school OCR first round is definitely much harder.</p>
<p>P.S. Something to consider is that BBs aren’t the only ‘good’ banks. Places like BX M&A + RR, Lazard, Evercore, Centerview, etc are all fantastic advisory firms and comparable, if not better, than a lot of BB’s.</p>