<p>@lousyanamom: I’m not sure if I would that much more money for Emory. Anyway, to answer your question: Yes, it’s pretty well known for a great career center (which would do mock interviews) and lots of prof. development opps. Take a look at some of the things Emory students participate in: <a href=“https://blogs.emory.edu/bbanews/”>https://blogs.emory.edu/bbanews/</a>
This is a general overview of some of the things that encompass “BBA life” at Emory:
<a href=“http://goizueta.emory.edu/degree/undergraduate/beyond_academics/index.html”>http://goizueta.emory.edu/degree/undergraduate/beyond_academics/index.html</a></p>
<p>Your son would have more motivated peers that could be doing more interesting (as in things outside of the norm. I also highlight this aspect because the classes don’t really matter as much in these undergraduate business programs. Only some of them are worth anything, no matter the caliber of the program. It’s the experiences, competitions, and internships that you participate in that make the difference. And being on some campuses would make that much different from being on others) things that could enhance his resume/life or intellect (Emory is really kicking up a start-up/innovation culture that your son could benefit from. It doesn’t hurt that most students end up with friends from Tech that can ultimately help them in things such as the “Hackathon” that we organized and will likely grow bigger: <a href=“Decoding Emory's Hackathon | The Emory Wheel”>http://www.emorywheel.com/decoding-emorys-hackathon/</a>). Because of these things, Emory is probably better than UGA for business from an objective point of view but I just don’t know if I would pay the extra money for it (the subjective point of view). If paying the extra money is remotely burdensome, and your son doesn’t have a particularly strong affinity for Emory, I don’t think it’s worth it. Don’t just view this from a purely pragmatic point of view. No advantage that GBS provides over UGA will make it worth over 200k if your son doesn’t actually want to be at Emory. Make sure that he is genuinely interested (because if not, it will be hard for him to self-motivate his way to taking advantage of the things that do make Emory better than UGA for UG business. The people who really wanted to be here, will ultimately take advantage of these things. It’s hard to do this, it you believe that being here is a “golden ticket” where opportunities will fall from the sky because of your mere presence on campus and I think some students have these views of some top UG business programs). </p>
<p>@bernie12, thanks for the detailed reply and the helpful links. We will discuss further with my son. He does want to attend Emory, but is a very conscientious son and doesn’t want us to spend so much money on it.</p>
<p>@Bernie12, wouldn’t the whole Oxford-Emory relationship make Emory a bit more accommodating to transfers than other peer schools? </p>
<p>@whenhen: That could be the reason. I’ve heard of weird stories at some other elite schools (one in Nashville that I love picking on in particular. I didn’t believe them at first, but apparently there could be some merit) where transfer students are kind of treated strangely (some think that they maybe got in unfairly because the threshold for transfer admission is less intense than freshman admission). Like apparently in private, some would say things like: “That person got a low grade, but it’s no surprise because they are a transfer”. At Emory that just doesn’t happen because a) people aren’t as conscious/critical of others’ performances (and even if they were, they would probably try to help instead of dismiss the person) and b) many (possibly most) transfers, including Oxford students outperform freshman admits (they also tend to take more challenging courses and instructors, often because some transfers were looking for a more challenging environment), whether they came from a lower or similarly calibrated institution.</p>
<p>At Emory, it’s possible for a transfer to never be found out to be a transfer because no one cares at all. And also, while Emory is social, it’s also very academic, so often the transfers will integrate into the student body via the academics/some class, if not through the social events initially. I think some schools are more “social” first and academic a close second, so it may be harder to integrate at such schools. At Emory it’s kind of like: “If you can collaborate on homework or help me study, it’s worth knowing you”. And in general, students at Emory don’t tend to dwell on each others past experiences (or accomplishments) before coming. I guess some of us are “stuck up/snooty” without necessarily being conceited/competitive. A culture where students try to one up each other or believe they were entitled to be in such an “exclusive” environment is more likely to breed anti-transfer sentiment. Main campus doesn’t really have that much of it. There are the few annoying Oxford haters (again, I tutor one of them. They have no idea that Oxford is about as selective freshman stats. wise as UCLA or some other top publics and even decently ranked privates and is not all that much different from main anymore, especially taking into account the correction)-you know, the silly people that actually think Oxford numbers effect our rank…but for some reason, even these folks are not anti-transfer in terms of non-Oxford students. But I guess these students are very dizzy minded in the first place, so I should expect that sort of contradiction. </p>
<p>My son’s (sophomore) roommate is a transfer from Kelley School of Business at Indiana U. He seems to have made the transition well and doesn’t seem concerned that now he has to apply to get into Goizuetta. I asked him (when we visited Fall) why he transferred and his response was that Emory is a better school. FWIW. </p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, what’s the dating scene like?</p>
<p>What’s the difference between CHEM 221Z and 221, other than one is specifically for freshmen with AP credit? Is it wise for someone who scored a 5 in AP Chem to skip to organic chem? How different is general chem compared to AP chem?</p>
<p>@tawe141 : If you want your money’s worth from Emory (IE, want it to feel as if it should cost the same or more than a very top research university), use AP and take regular 221 w/Soria or Weinschenk if you want great science training (avoid 221-Z, the instructors there do not teach as well, and the rigor is a bit low if you want to develop solid preparation/work ethic for more challenging upper division science courses. Weinschenk and Soria have a history of developing/enhancing potential stars in science) and teaching. Do not waste time in general chemistry for the love of God. It’s basically AP chemistry except that the exams are more difficult and concept based (and they also tend to address more issues of structure, such as the lattice structures, packing efficiency, etc. Crap you will likely never see again…even if a chem major). It’s quite boring material if you’ve seen a huge chunk of it before, and even with a 5, chances for an A are not that good (chances for a B or B+ are much better. Basically, you’ll have enough experience to be above average, but they intentionally make it hard enough to even challenge most students with AP/IB credit). One difference is that exams typically give harder problems that mix two or three concepts (that seem unrelated, so you must find the relation and apply the correct equations) and this can be annoying because you will first struggle to figure out what exactly they are asking you to do. At some point it’s clear they are just screwing with people as opposed to trying to legitimately develop their critical thinking skills (seriously, the way the course is taught, in a pure lecture format, often doesn’t match the level at which they assess, which is more concept based). Seems like a lot of work without the excitement of stimulating problems or material (that is often presented or applied to seemingly relevant situations. In general chemistry, the first time you see an application will likely be on the test)…just boring and somewhat grade deflated (fake rigor). Also, Soria (very tough but freshman friendly environment) and Weinschenk (very tough, more competitive because of curve, perhaps less freshman friendly) actually care about students’ development and progression throughout their courses (and Emory). Unfortunately, this is more than can be said about the gen. chem instructors (who are good instructors, especially considering how crappy the material is) and the 221-Z instructors (who simply are very underwhelming instructors despite their fame in the research world). You’ll be in good hands if you start ochem and bust your hump with one of the two ochem instructors I praise. At least if you got a B/B+ in their class, it is worth every penny in terms of learning outcome and they’ll still write you a rec. letter (because they watch your effort and drive closely). The others may not even know who the hell you are no matter how well you do and how small their section is (Mulford doesn’t even try to know names. Neither does Liotta or Davies. Soria and Weinschenk learn every name in the class within the first week or two)!</p>
<p>@bernie12 Thanks for your response! I would love to take 221, but I’m not sure the department would allow it. According to their website, there are only three entry points into chemistry as a freshman: start at 141, start at 142 in the spring, or start at 221Z. Here’s what I’m referring to: <a href=“http://chemistry.emory.edu/home/undergraduate/major/classes.html”>http://chemistry.emory.edu/home/undergraduate/major/classes.html</a></p>
<p>It would be fantastic to get into 221 though! From what I read on this forum, Soria and Weinschenk are really good at what they do. Would I have to talk with someone in the department of chemistry if I could take 221 instead of 221Z?</p>
<p>@tawe141 Department allows it (students do it all the time. They either start in a 221 section or switch into a 222 section as opposed to continuing to 222-Z)…They just don’t advertise it and website is vague and does not count for exceptions. Contact Dr. Soria about a potential spot in his lab and lecture section. Are you pre-med? Soria will allow you into 226-L (which is much cooler and less stressful than 221-L) if you aren’t pre-med (lab is specifically geared toward those who want to build skills for graduate studies in science. 221-L is a standard cookbook lab for the pre-health crowd. It’s done well, but it’s a cookbook lab and is not really for intellectual development). </p>
<p>And feel free to probe more: Chemistry and biology at Emory is my specialty and I’m still involved with it…which is how I know so much.</p>
<p>@bernie12 Great! Thanks for the awesome info. I really appreciate what you’re doing here. </p>
<p>Here’s another one:
My son will be a freshman this fall at Emory. We live out on the west coast, and we’d really like to fly him back for Thanksgiving. The airfares are already high, and will go higher. I’d love to buy his ticket now. I’m wondering what it’s like at Emory on the Weds before Thanksgiving. Has the place already started to clear out? What is the scoop with us flying him back on Tuesday night, and him missing his Weds classes? Is this a big no-no, or is it sort of routine for out of town kids trying to make a getaway?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>There were so many students flying out the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, Emory provided free shuttle service to the airport (must sign up in advance.) My D’s a freshman and I would have preferred she fly home on the Tuesday, but the orchestra director told them that if they missed the Tues. night rehearsal, they would be marked down an entire letter grade. 3 weeks before, he changed his mind and cancelled rehearsal but of course I had already bought her ticket. My D’s exam schedule wasn’t finalized until early October which was a pain so I didn’t buy her ticket until then (and it was more $ than if I had purchased in September.) She didn’t have classes Wednesday but officially professors could have kept them until then which made no sense (Oxford’s official last day before Thanksgiving was Tuesday.) </p>
<p>My son is a sophomore and BOTH years so far he has told me that his professors were holding Wednesday classes and he could not leave until Wednesday night. BOTH years, by the week before, all his professors had cancelled Wednesday classes and he could have flown home on Tuesday! Very frustrating. Since he just started the business school I still cannot trust whether or not to book his Thanksgiving flight for Tuesday or Wednesday so will probably pay for the flexible fare. Most kids leave school on Tuesday as far as I could tell.</p>
<p>@piccolomom1995 and @seiclan – Thanks for the responses. I think that I’m going to take the risk and buy a ticket for a flight either Tues night or Weds morning. </p>
<p>@seiclan – my son is interested in the B.B.A. at Emory, and at some point I might PM you with some questions.</p>