Average LSAT by underggraduate school 2006

[tomslawsky]

<p>Interesting thread; My Excel isn't working, but if someone was feeling rambunctious, it would be awesome to make a curve of 2002 SAT scores vs 2006 LSAT scores to see what the correlation is. I bet it will be fairly linear.<br>
Average LSAT (2005-6 Administrations)</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Harvard - 166</p></li>
<li><p>Yale - 165</p></li>
<li><p>Stanford - 164</p></li>
<li><p>MIT - 164</p></li>
<li><p>Duke - 164</p></li>
<li><p>Princeton - 163</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia - 163</p></li>
<li><p>Dartmouth - 163</p></li>
<li><p>Pomona - 163</p></li>
<li><p>Williams - 163</p></li>
<li><p>Amherst - 163</p></li>
<li><p>Brown - 162</p></li>
<li><p>UPenn - 162</p></li>
<li><p>Chicago - 161</p></li>
<li><p>Cornell - 161</p></li>
<li><p>Claremont McKenna College - 161</p></li>
<li><p>Rice - 161</p></li>
<li><p>Northwestern - 160</p></li>
<li><p>Georgetown - 160</p></li>
<li><p>Wesleyan - 160</p></li>
<li><p>Brandeis - 159</p></li>
<li><p>Grinnell - 159</p></li>
<li><p>Notre Dame - 159</p></li>
<li><p>Virginia - 159</p></li>
<li><p>William & Mary - 159</p></li>
<li><p>Vanderbilt - 158</p></li>
<li><p>Michigan - 158</p></li>
<li><p>McGill - 158</p></li>
<li><p>Macalester - 158</p></li>
<li><p>Emory - 158</p></li>
<li><p>BYU – 158</p></li>
<li><p>NYU - 158/155</p></li>
<li><p>Kenyon College - 158</p></li>
<li><p>UC-Berkeley – 158</p></li>
<li><p>Tufts - 158</p></li>
<li><p>Connecticut College - 158</p></li>
<li><p>Oberlin - 158</p></li>
<li><p>Davidson - 158 (in 2000)</p></li>
<li><p>UCLA - 157</p></li>
<li><p>UC-San Diego - 157</p></li>
<li><p>Wake Forest - 157</p></li>
<li><p>USC - 156</p></li>
<li><p>UMass-Amherst - 156</p></li>
<li><p>Smith – 156</p></li>
<li><p>Texas - 156</p></li>
<li><p>Trinity (TX) - 156</p></li>
<li><p>Wisconsin-Madison - 156</p></li>
<li><p>Boston University – 155</p></li>
<li><p>Lehigh - 155</p></li>
<li><p>University of Dallas - 155</p></li>
<li><p>Washington - 155</p></li>
<li><p>Boston College - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Florida - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Georgia - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Miami (OH) - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Missouri - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Southern Methodist - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Texas A&M - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Utah - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Western Washington Univ. - 154</p></li>
<li><p>Oklahoma - 153</p></li>
<li><p>Boston University - 153</p></li>
<li><p>Nebraska-Lincoln - 153</p></li>
<li><p>Minnesota-Twin Cities - 153</p></li>
<li><p>Butler Univ. (IN) - 153</p></li>
<li><p>UMD - 153/147</p></li>
<li><p>Montana State Univ. - 153</p></li>
<li><p>Utah State - 153</p></li>
<li><p>American - 153</p></li>
<li><p>Arizona - 152</p></li>
<li><p>Kentucky - 152</p></li>
<li><p>Hiram (OH) - 152</p></li>
<li><p>Pittsburgh - 152</p></li>
<li><p>St. Louis University – 152</p></li>
<li><p>Kansas State University - 152</p></li>
<li><p>Penn State - 152</p></li>
<li><p>Syracuse – 152/150</p></li>
<li><p>UConn - 151</p></li>
<li><p>Wisconsin-Milwaukee - 151
16, Loyola Marymount - 151</p></li>
<li><p>UMinn-Duluth - 151</p></li>
<li><p>University of North Florida - 151</p></li>
<li><p>Florida State – 150</p></li>
<li><p>Northeastern - 150</p></li>
<li><p>Ole Miss - 150</p></li>
<li><p>Wyoming - 150</p></li>
<li><p>Washington State - 150</p></li>
<li><p>DePaul - 149</p></li>
<li><p>Georgia State - 148</p></li>
<li><p>Stockton - 148</p></li>
<li><p>Temple – 148/146</p></li>
<li><p>University of New Orleans - 148</p></li>
<li><p>Middle Tennessee State - 147</p></li>
<li><p>City University of New York - 145</p></li>
<li><p>Howard - 145</p></li>
<li><p>West Georgia – 145</p></li>
<li><p>John Jay - 142</p></li>
</ol>

<p>What's</a> your undergrad school's average LSAT?</p>

[tomslawsky]

<p>looks, at a glance that 0.5 SD LSAT of 5 points is about equal to 80 SAT points, or about 16 SAT points per 1 LSAT point. This will vary for sample bias, transfers, etc but seems like a good general trend. </p>

<p>If one assumes that the average college graduate has about a 115 IQ, it’s interesting to note that a 150 LSAT (average score) score is ~115 IQ or 1 SD above the general population. This correlates about ~1170 current SAT. Therefore, schools with an average score LSAT score of a a “paltry” 145, still represents the top 70% of the general population or ~1080 SAT score. This is because a 140 is an average population LSAT score and a 150 is 1 SD above that score. </p>

<p>At a “+ 1.5” SD above the LSAT average for Harvard et al, this represents an IQ of ~ 2.5 SD above the population, or a plus 320 SAT points over the 1100 SAT school, (using the general rule of thumb that 0.5 SD = ~80 SAt points). In total, this approximates ~1420 (ish) SAT, a 165-ish LSAT score and an IQ of ~140 on the Stanford Benet scale. </p>

<p>In a VERY GENERAL sense, these numbers, to me show tight correlation between IQ, SAT, LSAT and you can even throw in GMAT, MCAT, DAT, GRE, etc if one had the data.</p>

<p>Disclaimers- yes, I know the correlation isn’t exact and YES, I know IQ and test scores don’t capture all of intelligence. However, on a general sense, I feel that percentile numbers will usually match up between almost all of these standardized exams.</p>

[bluedevilmike]

<p>If you can pull the data for the SAT scores, I’ll do the excel work.</p>

[Hanna]

<p>When you think about the population sample within the schools, the results are all the more impressive. Something like 30% of Harvard undergrads take the LSAT. At most of the lower-scoring schools, a smaller and more select group chooses to take it. In other words, I expect that if the LSAT were administered to all graduating seniors at these schools, the score gap would get even wider.</p>

[Mr_Payne]

<p>What’s always strange to me is how <em>low</em> the scores seems. Harvard is only a 166? It really shows the distribution between lower level colleges and the upper ones. Possibly 20-30% of the class in lower ranked schools would be above average at Harvard, etc.</p>

[flowerhead]

<p>You can’t really think that’s low, right? A 166 is something like the 93rd percentile, right? Yes, it’s low if you’re gunning for a super-prestigious law school, but in the grand scheme of things, it’s actually quite high.</p>

<p>People here need some perspective. That’s not to say, Mr Payne, that you’re one of them or that you have this mindset. But I definitely get the feeling here that most would not be satisfied at a law school lower than HYS (or maybe CCN). While I think there might be valid financial reasons for having that preference, most here seem concerned with prestige. It kind of makes me sad, then, when they can’t realize a 166 is pretty high, and that the schools it gives access to (WUSTL, UT, UCLA, maybe Cornell and Boalt) are pretty darn good!</p>

[IvyPBear]

<p>Duke students are doing quite well; UChicago and Cornell students are doing quite poorly.</p>