Bard: some questions

<p>Hello.
My daughter was just accepted, and will probably attend, Bard. I am an alumna, and loved Bard, so I'm happy about her decision. But, I do have two concerns that arose as a result of reading some earlier CC threads. One: Is Bard really having serious financial difficulties, ones that already do or will affect course availability (my daughter's not concerned with "funky" living quarters or food services). Two: Is it in fact difficult for entering students to get into the classes they prefer/need? This would really concern me, because my daughter would be in the "timid" category when it comes to being aggressive about getting a class.</p>

<p>Another question: My daughter got wait-listed for Grinnell. Does anyone know the chances for wait-listed applicants; actions to take to best insure being accepted off the wait list; any other ways to explore this question?
And: what IS the experience really like out there in Iowa?</p>

<p>Thanks so much for any feedback!</p>

<p>You might get some better responses on the Bard forum, but I can tell you that D2 is a rising senior at Bard and hasn’t had many difficulties getting classes…either due to budget cuts or due to her naturally introverted personality. Their system of requiring students to contact professors for permission to enroll caused her a little stress the first year, and she’s still working on overcoming a preference for emailing rather than actually talking to them in person (which I think would help her chances), but she’s always been able to make it work. She was closed out of a class for her major that’s only offered in the spring semester this year, but will be able to take it next spring. Congrats to your D on her acceptances!</p>

<p>Dear stradmom,
Thanks for your quick reply. Could you explain more about “requiring students to contact professors…”? I could see my daughter preferring to email also, but hope that she’ll learn to overcome her shyness.
I didn’t realize that there is a Bard forum, and will look it up.
As you have a senior at Bard, could you give your impressions of the “hipster” tag that seems to be constantly mentioned in reviews of Bard? When I attended Bard, there was some kind of comparable disparaging tag, but I don’t remember experiencing this.
Thank you.</p>

<p>Re: the Grinnell College wait list. Last year 769 applicants were offered a place on the waitlist. 356 students accepted a place on the list. Of that number 13 students were eventually admitted. That comes out to not quite a 4% acceptance rate off the waitlist.
Congratulations to your daughter on her acceptance at Bard. I’ve had the pleasure of working with numerous Bard faculty and have employed more than a dozen Bard students and graduates over the years and it is a great school.</p>

<p>I have a son who will be graduating from Bard this year. He has not had trouble with enrolling in the classes that he wants or needs, however, he has not always gotten his first choices and is pretty persistent with the professors.
As far as the hipster thing goes, I think there are a lot of students who would be described this way. My son is not one of them, but has not had a problem making friends, with both hipsters and non-hipsters. :slight_smile: And I don’t think that the term hipster is viewed negatively, but maybe that is just my own bias.
Also, I know that Bard’s endowment is not as big as some other peer schools, and certainly not nearly what Grinnell’s is, but I don’t think that has caused them to compromise on the academics. My son’s academic experience has bee first rate.
His biggest complaints are the food, the lack of cable TV… but he can live with that.</p>

<p>Thank you, hudsonvalley51 and tuftsalum12, for your responses.</p>

<p>CoolD’s comment over spring break was that Bard has gone “mainstream” since her freshman year … and it was never all that hipster to begin with!</p>

<p>As I understand the process, there are many courses that you simply enroll in by clicking through the online registration system, but there are others (often upper level seminars) where the professor wants to personally approve each student. This can actually be helpful - D wanted to take an advanced music class and the prof had a long email exchange with her (she was studying abroad at the time) about her grounding in music theory and history. He didn’t want her to get in over her head.</p>

<p>One of her majors is photography, and that department’s process seems to involve standing in a long line and hoping you get a spot in specific darkroom based courses (which have strict size limits due to space). On the other hand, the department also offered extra sections of their intro course her first year, because the incoming class was so large.</p>

<p>Here’s the Bard forum: [Bard</a> College - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/bard-college/]Bard”>Bard College - College Confidential Forums)</p>

<p>When we visited Bard, an administrator gave a take on not having a big endowment: We turn it into a virtue. He said, Bard spends money because it isn’t protecting the size of its endowment. He was honest in that, of course, it would be nice to have a big endowment. But clearly Bard is spending money on academic priorities by, for example, adding the Citizen Science program this year for freshmen and a number of other initiatives and approaches that we didn’t hear about anywhere else. And there seems to be fin aid and the campus is still lovely.</p>

<p>Life in Iowa is great! My S loves that complete strangers will look him in the eye and say hello when he walks in town. The students have a strong sense of community – not in the rah rah go team sense – but in that we’re all here together as “Grinnellians” and we need to work and live together well. The “self-governance” system fosters this, as does the location and campus layout, IMO. While there is not a lot to do in the surrounding area, the college brings a ton of stuff on campus, and of course, the student groups are all active. (Just as an example of the great talent they bring in, Esperanza Spalding played there, and so those students knew who she was when few others did when she won the Grammy this year for “Best New Artist” instead of Justin Bieber. They also bring in alot of indie bands who are very familiar to the students.)</p>

<p>The college is just two blocks from the quaint downtown. The surrounding area actually is quite pretty – rolling farmlands, wide open spaces and blue sky. Great for riding bikes! Like Bard, there are cities that can be visited (although no comparison between NYC and Des Moines or Cedar RApids!! and my S has not gone to either anyway).</p>

<p>Bard definitely has more to do in the surrounding area from a physical activity point of view and the nearby town is very charming, but it is not in walking distance. The campus layout is totally different with its sprawling and diverse buildings. (not a good or bad, just a fact). </p>

<p>The endowment is an interesting question. My s’s final decision came down to Bard and Grinnell, coincidentally, and I just couldn’t get a good handle on what Bard did or didn’t do with its money. They do spend it on interesting educational endeavors. However, when we visited again (the day before decisions were due!) we visited a student art installation where the focus was on how stingy Bard was things like classroom supplies. Bard also has alot of “visiting professors,” which someone told me was a way to keep costs down, but the professors don’t get some very important benefits. (they are there for the long-term even though they’re called visiting.) A friend whose daughter is a student there also told me that she and other parents felt like the school put alot of attention into its farflung educational endeavors, and wished it would focus more resources on its Annandale campus.</p>

<p>I was very impressed by the list of professors who taught there, with many names familiar to me from their work in their fields (I do believe Botstein when he says they attract great faculty because of its location – a sophisticated rural community with proximity to NYC) and my S came out of the IDP seminar saying “that was amazing.”</p>

<p>My son’s final decision, though, came down to a question of perceived fit with the student body and the sense of community he perceived at Grinnell. </p>

<p>I think that Bard will offer a fabulous education. The most important thing is what happens in the classroom, and here I do believe that the school will shine, and what happens outside the classroom with other students, but that is for your D to answer. </p>

<p>I would encourage you and your D to accept the offer wholeheartedly, and if a waitlist acceptance comes from Grinnell, revisit the issue then.</p>

<p>In terms of chances for getting off the waitlist for Grinnell, I would suggest you look through the past several years of waitlist info from the common data sets to assess the chances. The only thing I can suggest is that if your D decides that she would pick Grinnell over Bard, is that she write a letter saying that if she gets in, she would definitely go.</p>

<p>Also, in terms of your concern about “iowa,” the student body is among the most diverse for all LACs, and while almost half does come from the midwest, even that represents a pretty wide range of kids, some from rural areas, but others from metropolitan regions. I believe that one of the largest subgroups is kids from NYC, so clearly alot of city kids feel comfortable out there in the cornfields!</p>

<p>Both Grinnell and Bard have a high percentage of international students (that was a plus for my S), while Grinnell also has a high percentage (for an LAC) of domestic students of color, again a plus in our opinion.</p>

<p>One final note of comparison, and again, this is something that concerns me more as a parent, than what would affect a student. Bard is Botstein: he has been the president for just about forever and he is brilliant and incredibly creative and visionary. Beyond him, though, I just don’t get a clear sense of how the school is run or managed. The Citizen Science program was brilliant, I thought, but it was announced as a requirement lat year after the students were accepted, which I didn’t think was fair. (It meant that the freshmen would have to return to campus three weeks earlier in their winter break, getting two weeks vacation instead of five)</p>

<p>Grinnell, on the other hand, has a very clearly defined sense of institutional mission and well-thought out strategic plans to make its values a reality. All of this is available on the website; the school is very transparent in all its thinking and actions. Grinnell’s new president is also brilliant and a visionary with tremendous managerial experience as well. Like Bard, Grinnell does think outside of the box, which I think is one reason that the decision came down to these two for my son.</p>

<p>sorry, i realized I contradicted my advice for how to deal with the waitlist! either put off thinking about Grinnell until the decision comes in or acting now to tell them she’d attend if accepted! That’s really for you to decide!</p>

<p>Thanks, everyone, for your reflections.</p>