<p>between baruch's zicklin and pace's lubin, which business school has a stronger/better accounting program? </p>
<p>in terms of recruiting and job placement, which business school provides a greater chance?</p>
<p>does anyone know if pace offers direct admission into their bba in general accounting program?</p>
<p>Since I haven’t seen either school for over 30 years, I can’t answer any of your questions. However, Baruch is a very inexpensive public school while Pace is a private school. From a financial perspective, especially if you are a NY resident, I would pick Baruch in a heartbeat. This would be particularly true for accounting,which has always been the strength of Baruch.</p>
<p>thanks for your advice, taxguy. </p>
<p>disregarding the difference in tuition costs, i really want to know between baruch’s zicklin and pace’s lubin, which business school has a stronger/better (undergraduate) accounting program? </p>
<p>in terms of recruiting and job placement, which business school provides a greater chance?</p>
<p>I can tell you that Pace has better raputation than Baruch does and definitely recruiting process too, but I’m going to transfer to Baruch because I can’t afford myself to go to Pace. But, I can suggest you one thing, if you want to have just Undegraduate degree then go to Pace, otherwise if you are planning to be CPA certified or have an MBA or MS from a respected university then it doesn’t matter where did you get your bachelors. It matters though, when it stands alone. I also would recommend you to consider NYU (New York University). It has the best business school in NYC and it’s ranked in top 10 in the U.S. I believe as of 2009 Accounting major at NYU ranked 9th and the Finance major 2nd or 3rd. It’s even better than Harvard’s business school and NYU’s acceptance rate is 32%, unlike Baruch college which has 23% and Harvard which has 7%. I don’t understand why it’s like that but i checked the statistics and these numbers are true.</p>
<p>There’s no way that Pace is better then Baruch for business.</p>
<p>I don’t agree that Baruch is better, it definetely not that bad because it’s AACCB accredited but anyway it’s a public college. But i can say that Baruch is the best for business out of all CUNY. The only university that has a higher undergraduate business program than Pace in NYC is NYU, and if we will consider graduate programs too, then Columbia University is better than Pace too. However, Baruch’s MBA Honors program ranked 3rd after NYU and Columbia. Maybe you was talking about that</p>
<p>@Toshtemirov</p>
<p>do you know if Pace absolutely requires the 2 letters of recommendation in order for them to review an applicant’s application?</p>
<p>Because I’m having difficulties getting 2 letters of recommendation by their transfer deadline on Feb 15th, 2010.</p>
<p>The misinformation on these boards is incredible. Sorry,but where does it say that PACE is better ranked than Baruch for accounting? I couldn’t find it anywhere.</p>
<p>Moreover, for accounting, it doesn’t matter where you go as long as the school is accredited. Say that five times. The key is having a strong GPA , and having a decent interview. Since Baruch can be one-sixth or even less in tuition, why would you pick Pace if it doesn’t matter?</p>
<p>I should note that Baruch has a HUGE alumni base particularly in accounting. Many accounting firms recruit there.</p>
<p>Hi taxguy,</p>
<p>First thanks for all of the information you’ve provided on this forum.</p>
<p>I have an unrelated question:</p>
<p>How long does it take to establish a success solo-tax practice? In other words, how long does it take to break 6-figures? This is all assuming that a person has good business acumen, personality, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>futuretaxguy, No one can answer your question. Success is a function of competent work, strong drive and great marketing ability and good networking skills. I have seen folks develop a strong practice in a matter of a few years. I have seen others take a lifetime.</p>
<p>VSTACEY820</p>
<p>Pace will require one personal essay, two letters of recommendation, absolutely. I have read on their website that they consider each application and they definitely read everything. But, why do you have problems with getting letters? You can bring letters from your High School
teachers, conselors or employers.</p>
<p>taxguy</p>
<p>It doesn’t say anywhere that Pace has a better accounting program than Baruch does.(lol). But people’s decision based on the overall quality and reputation of a business school. They both accredited, but what places Pace above, is that it’s a private University. Pace has a better access to internship programs and just look yourself, usually people who finished undegrad. degree in Baruch after that go to graduate degree either Pace, NYU or Columbia. However, it doesn’t work the other way around. Morover, if a university earns more money, which private universities do, they hire one of the best professors and give students the opportunity to learn better. Pace university also has a dormitory, which Baruch doesn’t have.
Obviously, it doesn’t say much, but anyway.
With that being said, even though I’m going to transfer to Baruch (lol), I believe that Pace is better. I wish Baruch was the best, but I’m looking at it objectively</p>
<p>Toshtemirov notes,Morover, if a university earns more money, which private universities do, they hire one of the best professors and give students the opportunity to learn better."</p>
<p>Response: This is not totally correct. I went to the Chronicle of higher education in order to determine average faculty salaries. Here is what was listed for the year 2008-2009, which was their latest study</p>
<pre><code> Baruch Pace
</code></pre>
<ol>
<li>Full Professor $111,600 $118,800</li>
<li>Associate Professor $ 92,900 $93,100</li>
<li>Assistant Professor $ 86,400 $ 71,800</li>
</ol>
<p>As you can see, it is very close in salary only a slight edge for full and associate professor. There is a big difference For Assistant professor.</p>
<p>As for internships and jobs, I called up Baruch and spoke to their career office. They usually have more openings for accountants than graduates. Thus, I don’t see the edge for Pace. </p>
<p>Bottom line: Both schools pay similarly for their faculty and both have a lot of alumni and job interviews;however, Pace is many times the price… Maybe it is…just maybe… slightly better;however, this doesn’t justify the huge price differential. Pace doesn’t have the reputation of Columbia or NYU></p>
<p>Taxguy,
You said that you haven’t seen these schools for almost 30 years, but i did it recently and I saw people who study and want to study there. OF COURSE, for ourselves, it doesn’t matter which school to attend, AS LONG as it offers a high level of education (THEY BOTH DO), but for employers the first impression is based on the NAME of a school. For instance, one student is from Warton and the other is from Baruch or Pace, lets pretend that Baruch’s student is smarter and know’s everything very well, unlike a student from Warton. Definitely, employers will hire a student from Warton and then they will realize. You may say that Baruch and Pace don’t have such a big difference like Warton and Pace or Baruch (it’s true), but it’s just an example. I wanted to show everyone that NAME matters. I live in New York myself, and I know that people respect Pace more.
Taxguy,
I believe that you are much older than me and CPA certified, thus I have a respect towards you. I hope that you don’t feel offended. It is an argument and I had to say that because some students may need this information.
Sincerely,</p>
<p>Toshtemirov, nope, no offense taken or given. I just wanted to post the little research that I did on the subject. As you said, I haven’t reviewed these schools for over 30 years , and things do change.</p>
<p>@Toshtemirov</p>
<p>Thanks for the information regarding Pace. I am still trying to get in touch with past teachers for letters of recommendation, and I am concerned about getting everything sent in before the deadline. thanks again.</p>
<p>@ taxguy
thanks for your information on accounting and baruch.</p>
<p>how’s the academic atmosphere at pace/lubin?</p>
<p>i need input from current and/or past students of pace/lubin please, thanks.</p>
<p>I will answer this question thoroughly, as I attended both schools. The amount of uninformed misinformation on this site is ridiculous. </p>
<p>I received my undergraduate from Pace University (NYC) in 2006. During that time I interned with PWC, EY, Bank of New York, and a couple more smaller firms. </p>
<p>No undergraduate accounting program can compete with Pace in terms of their placement. That’s why student’s pay a lot of money to attend. 80% of my graduating class went to big 4 accounting firms (I went to Ernst & Young). The rest went to places like Morgan Stanley, etc. in other accounting roles. </p>
<p>The Chairman of Pace, who is also the Managing Partner of Ernst & Young, New York, is a Pace Alumni. When I started work at Ernst & Young back then it was like a college reunion. Pace was the most represented school in terms of Partners and employees. </p>
<p>Another fact: Pace has more partners in Big 4 firms in the Metropolitan area than any other college. If you want to get into a big 4 firm, Pace is the way to go.</p>
<p>I did my Masters Degree (Statistics) at Baruch part time while working at an investment bank. Baruch is also a great school. I would say academically, they are the same as Pace, but they lack the job infrastructure that Pace has. Pace has an internal internship/job system that is exclusive to Pace students. All major Banks and Big 4 firms recruit from here. </p>
<p>I attended Pace on a full scholarship. If I had to pay…we’ll I would go to Baruch and make sure I graduated with a very high GPA. Don’t get yourself stuck with massive student loans during undergrad. Remember, you may decide to continue on to graduate school, so stay as debt free as possible. </p>
<p>Another thing is that Pace is expanding quite rapidly in downtown, having acquired 2 new buildings, and building another 30 story luxury dorm on Fulton Street. I’m not sure if Baruch has student housing. </p>
<p>To summarize, Pace offers much higher odds of landing the job you want and has more of a college experience vibe (due to all their dorm buildings), while Baruch offers a great education at a low price. It depends on your own personal situation.</p>
<p>The fact is the rank of accounting in Baruch is must better than Pace, and Pace is not even in the top 50.
<a href=“Patterson School of Accountancy | Ole Miss”>Patterson School of Accountancy | Ole Miss;
<p>Baruch 4-years and MS of accounting are always inside top 30 in the CPA accounting report. Pace is a good school for law not for business. [Pace</a> University | Overall Rankings | Best College | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/pace-university-new-york-194310/overall-rankings]Pace”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/pace-university-new-york-194310/overall-rankings)</p>
<p>In fact, Baruch has more CPA than any university and college in the world.</p>
<p>Thanks modnoi for this information. You have given me the information that I wanted for a very long time. I will do my MS in Taxation at Pace University, so i could get on with one of the Big 4 firms. Again, Thanks for the info.</p>