@bluebayou
Perhaps you are not from the northeast. Most top 50 schools form Northeast have about a 1/3 of their enrolled students from the Northeast. If you do not want to travel out of the Northeast and are an unhooked applicant and have good stats that’s a very tough feet. Our friends whose students are high achieveing ie average admitted stats for these schools rarely have over 2 schools to choose from. That’s even rare. Yes you can work geographic disparities. Northeast to USC , etc
We can disagree but really not a matter of opinion. Admit rates tell the story.
@suzy100 you are blessed to have so many admits to top 50 schools to compare. Will that 12 K stay the same all 4 years? Just not what we’re seeing in our neck of the woods. Disparities in financial and merit aid in different caliber schools most definetly. Regardless of socioeconomic income for the northeast students, multiple admits are very rare to top caliber schools.
There are unicorns 1600 or 36 act , all AP or IB straight A’s with awesome published research. This 1 percent can solicit multiple acceptances weather ED or RD. Out of the Northeast or other populous states they can probably get into all of them. This is just so rare.
BC had awesome EA stats this year and only 28 percent got an offer. Average ACT 34. Avg SAT 1470. How do you decide Merit and honors ? These stats should get you into almost all top 50. Unless you are hooked this just does not happen. There are too many awesome.applicants for all these great schools.
I guess it’s geographical. I live in the Northeast and the kids from our high school more often than not have more than 2 schools they get into that are in the top 50, if not the top 20.
From the acceptances were are hearing, it is all about balancing out their classes. I do believe it is based on geography. The AO know the areas they are responsible for and the current admits are proof of that. Some districts are more diverse than others which may allow for more accepted applicants.
MIT EA: 707 out of 9,600 (7.4%)
Yale SCEA: 794 out of 6,016 (13.2%)
Harvard REA: 935 out of 6,958 (13.4%)
Princeton SCEA: 743 out of 5,335 (13.9%)
Rice ED: 408 out of 2628 (15.5%)
Penn ED: 1279 out of 7,110 (18.0%)
Brown ED: 769 out of 4,230 (18.2%)
Duke ED: 882 out of 4,852 (18.2%)
Georgia Tech EA: 4000 out of 20289 (19.7%)
Notre Dame REA: 1,534 out of 7,334 (20.9%)
Cornell ED: 1,395 out of 6,159 (22.6%)
Dartmouth ED: 574 out of 2,474 (23.2%)
Northwestern ED: ~1,100 out of 4,399 (~25.0%)
UVA EA: 6,550 out of 25126 (27.7%)
Emory ED1: ~559 out of 1,910 (~29%)
UNC EA: 7867 out of 25867 (30.4%)
Johns Hopkins ED: 641 out of 2,068 (31.0%)
Middlebury ED1: 297 out of 654 (45.4%)
Current stats running from CC on some of the top schools. If you can secure multiple RD bids without a hook or from an underrepresented state the college world is you oyster. The ED stats are staggeringly difficult to begin with. People securing these multiple offers are the exception.
Curious, what admit rates are you citing exactly? I was under the impression that the stats told the opposite story: that local applicants apply in higher proportions and that being from outside the region gives you the advantage when dealing with private schools. With public schools of course, local vs OOS is the big line.
This was 4 years ago and admit rates have lowered since, but I had 4 T50 acceptances with a 3.8W GPA (34ACT) and no hooks. Played some sports and was only in two clubs, neither holding any sort of power. For context, all of my T50’s were in the 30-50 range and were in the northeast. I was applying from FL.
This isn’t meant to be a brag, but the point is that even today it would be surprising for a 34ACT/3.7UW/4.2W GPA applicant to not get into a decent number of T50’s if they sent out 5-10 apps in that range. They shouldn’t expect it to be auto-admit, and no school will be a safety in that range unless it’s an in-state public, but from 25-50 you don’t really need the hook to get in as you do with ivies and similar. For that imaginary applicant, I would expect a 50% admit rate in that rankings range.
There are only 7 schools in the Northeast on US News National University Ranking at 30-50. All very different locations, sizes and academic offerings. You can apply to all 20 with your stats and get into many but the point here is which school is right for the student. When you take take top 50 schools and narrow down to a students preferred major, climate, school size, family budget, and many other factors that go into making a realistic school list you are not applying to all 50. All top 30 are a reach for 99.9 percent most non hooked students. Apply to 10 of them, maybe one admit. Apply to 5 from 31-50 if you can truly say they fit what the student is looking for. Another 2-3 admits if your very fortunate .If this were not the case college advisors would be out of business. Your stats are awesome, but not an auto admit to University of Florida which is your state flagship. Not an auto admit to BC which is this posts focus. Lets just say you like a big urban school like NYU, NE and BU you are not assured an admit to either if applying from the northeast. Applying fro the South improves your odds but again not an auto admit.Only because they are not sure you will attend if admitted.
Its much more of a random process than it should be for students.
There are lots of kids with varied interests who choose all different kinds of schools and campuses. My son applied to lots of city schools and will be attending Emory. He is the kind of kid who would have fit into many different types of colleges and succeeded. The assumption that kids only fit into one type of mold doesn’t hold true for many.
The student that is willing to go anywhere does not need to apply ED then. They are very flexible in their choices. I have not ran into many students that are that flexible. These are high achieving students, with different learning styles and academic needs. All tip 50 schools are not a fit for them. Our children’s guidance counselors certainly didn’t say apply to all and then choose. A list was crafted based on reach , target and safety. That was based of each individually students specific needs based on a multitude of factors. No school on the top 50 is a safety. For most there is also a cost to apply. To apply to all would be almost 3000 dollars. Months of essay work.
I disagree. My son applied ED because it was his first choice school and would never have said no if accepted. He most likely would not have gotten in RD. He wouldn’t have gone “anywhere” but he had lots of different thoughts on where he’d be succesful. You don’t have to have a “dream school” mentality to apply ED. I would discourage anyone in the “dream school” idea.
Indeed they do. Yes, we are not from the northeast, which is why its easy to disagree with your broad blanket statement. btw: being from California is not a plus applying to top NE schools since Californians are the #2/#3 most represented state in such schools. (e.g,. #3 in BC & Williams, after MA, NY; some years, California is #2 at Dartmouth)
Now, do you mean to say that northeastern residents may only get two acceptances in the top 50…or, do you mean that a NE resident will only obtain two acceptances to top 50 schools located in the NE?
Regardless, someone who is competitive for an Ivy ED, will find GW, Miami (bounces in an out of t50), Wake and Tulane, among others, as safeties (assuming that they play the game by showing interest and completing any supplementals). Such an applicant would also have a good chance at the other privates in the lower t50. (This ignores some top 50 publics which would love someone with Ivy-level stats.)
@bluebayou
You are welcome to disagree with my blanket statement. Admission statistics and insistent exceptions don’t support your statement. Most people never win the lottery. Some win it twice. Entering top 50 US News national universities is very unpredictable for non hooked well represented state.
@collegemom9 also disagreed but had her son apply ED though he was comfortable going to any of them.
Our guidance counselors,experience,posted university acceptance rates and naviance results must be misleading us.
So ED should not be a disadvantage to any student per your rationale. Because can get into so many to 50 schools RD per your conclusions.
It sounds like you just have a different kind of high school than ours which is competitive HS in the Boston suburbs which routinely sees kids with multiple acceptances in the top 50 colleges. And I’m able to confirm this through Naviance.
And I stand by my statement that you don’t have to have 1 dream school to apply ED. I also didn’t say anywhere above that my son could have or would have wanted to go to any school in the top 50, just that multiple schools would have worked for him.
Tulane admits so many from ED, EA, and EDII rounds that the percentage of the remaining admits out of RD is so low that even applicants who might have been competitive for IVY ED would be foolish to consider it to be a safety.
@collegemom9
BC EA class this year average ACT 34 ? 1470 SAT and they only took 28 percent of applicants. So all the kids that applied this year at your sons high school were part of that 28 percent ? Of course not.
So at you high school with current BC admitted stats for EA if they apply RD to
Harvard
MIT
Cornell
Duke
BC
NYU/Stern
John Hopkins
Vanderbilt
UVA
Notre Dame
Georgetown
they are getting more than 2 admits as non hooked at RD ?
Your high school is a unicorn
At our high school unless you were also the valedictorian or had published research/national prize as a non hooked you are lucky to get one admit.
Thread discussion was how do we feel about BC having ED.
I would guess your feeling would be it doesn’t matter if your students wants to go there and get financial aid offers at the non binding RD round. You are very comfortable they would gain admittance RD.
Just not seeing that in our top 100 nationally ranked high school. Not seeing that in BC stats for admitted students. Yes we are in NY and have much better odds at top 50 Southern schools but not an auto admit. Schools want to desperately protect yield as it adds to their perceived prestige. Tufts set the tone and the rest followed.
I think we are talking about 2 different things. I’m taking about top 50 applicants across all application dates. I think you’re misunderstanding what I’ve said here. At our HS we have many kids who get into multiple top 50 schools and some in the top 20. And I can assure you we are not a unicorn but we do have probably the top 30% of students with high to very high stats. I know of many high schools like this.
With the exception of BC, that list in post #56 is roughly top-20. That’s an entirely different proposition from how many multiple acceptances are reasonable within top 30-50.
I’m not a fan of the change to ED for all the reasons mentioned, but it seems to me that chances in RD will still be reasonable. While BC has said that their ED acceptance rate will be greater than RD (as was the case with EA last year and this year), their RD round last year at around 20% (after adding EA deferrals into the RD pool) is not comparable to colleges with super low RD acceptance rates, colleges where the pressure to apply ED is immense.
It sounds to me like next year’s anticipated RD acceptance rate may be very similar to this year’s, depending on how many are deferred from ED. Admitting ED 40% of the 2300 target class size, 920 (assuming 100% yield), is the same number they were aiming for in this year’s unrestricted EA. BC anticipates 2k-3k ED apps, of which 920 would be roughly 30-46% ED acceptance rate. BC said they anticipate 25k RD next year. If they defer as many as 40% from ED (as they did this year from EA), that would be another 800-1200 apps to be reviewed in the RD round, for a total around 26k, identical to this year’s RD pool (19.6k fresh apps plus 6.3k deferred), so that the RD acceptance rate next year would be similar to this year’s. One caveat is whether their RD yield rate would be consistent from this year to next year. Depending on what yield is starting to look like from this year’s EA, if they can tell now that they might overshoot the 920 EA goal (I don’t know whether they’d have an updated projection before RD decisions go out), it’s even possible that this year’s RD rate could be lower than next year’s.
It’ll be interesting to see how accurate their projected numbers for next year will be - they were wrong about this year’s EA, though it’s unclear by how much.