With the exception of BC, that list in post #56 is roughly top-20. That’s an entirely different proposition from how many multiple acceptances are reasonable within top 30-50
Exactly.Not sure where this list came from. Certainly wasn’t the top 50 list we were discussing earlier.
My son is friends with a group of kids from a public school in the burbs of Boston and all 6 of them were accepted to BC and several other Top 50 schools EA. The reason they are admitted is they are considered likely to attend, have good stats in line with what BC wants, fit the student profile, some were full pay, some were legacy etc.
At a lot of the local competitive suburban Boston High Schools there are a surprising number of quality applicants. These kids know how hard it is to get into Harvard and MIT, so if they want to go to school in Boston they apply to BC,BU,NEU, Tufts. Very common. Then these kids apply to other top schools out of the geographic zone and frequency get multiple admits to schools like UVA, UMich, Villanova, NYU. etc.
@RightCoaster same here. We have many kids who get accepted into anywhere from 1-3 top 20 schools and then several in the 20-50 range. I don’t see that as unusual at all. Our school typically has about 30 applicants to BC and about 35-50% acceptance.
Georgetown 22
NYU 30
UVA 25
BC 38
Pretty good list for a student to have with what BC stats had at the EA round this year and last years average admit for both rounds. I see no safeties on that list.
Thats a list of 11 schools If you want add more school from top 50 go ahead. If you feel you will get multiple RD offers the there should be no complaining about BC going ED and not giving you a chance to evaluate merit and financial aid offers.
Yes there are targets from 31-50 but none are safeties and most have a lower academic profile of admitted students than BC and all other schools on this applicant list.
Again the focus is does ED hurt the student applying for FA at BC as their top choice school ?
As many seem to think they can readily get admittance at RD round then should not put them at disadvantage applying RD…
I’m completely lost now. The list keeps changing. I’m out. I have no issue with ED, RD, EA, REA.
@collegemom9
I’m sorry. Same schools from previous post where I listed schools. On that last post I just listed the ones that were out of the top 20 to show I did not list all top 20 schools.
Somehow we were talking about top 50 and then it suddenly went to 20. I think we can agree there is a huge difference in acceptance to Harvard and University of Illinois.
^ @lgs03 I really don’t follow at all what your point is.
Personally - I hate ED but especially hate ED2. It reduces the EA/RD acceptance rate. My kids are not applying ED anywhere (Even though they had CLEAR #1 choices) because we need to compare merit offers since we will not full pay and are not eligible for FA.
The # of students accepted into more than one T50 university is off topic, but people keep responding because what you are saying is just not true. My own kid was accepted to 5 out 6 T50 universities (including BC and an Ivy) with no unicorn or hooks (similar to the other student poster). Some of his friends also had that result (minus the Ivy).
Most kids from my kids’ high school get into the highest ranked schools for their stats by doing ED1 or ED2. Usually, they ED to a reachy reach (T15) and get rejected, then ED2 to Tufts or Wake or NYU (their lower ranked second choice) because they can full pay and don’t have to worry about merit or FA.
Very common acceptance pattern for top 10% of students at our New England high school:
Georgetown, BC, Tufts, Wake, NYU, Northeastern, BU, Michigan. The T15s are really hard though, very few acceptances recently.
@suzyQ7
We are trying to figure out if ED will make it harder to get into BC and more specifically for that that prefer financial aid offers at the RD or RA round so they know what they are getting before they commit. Its very difficult to secure multiple top 50 acceptances without using ED1/ED2 or EA is my position. Some people feel they can secure multiple RD acceptances to top 50 with just RD and EA as you did with your son.So if he did so well without ED why are you so opposed to it ?
The email from the dean of admissions was quite clear on the why. With 36000 applications and growing, the process of weeding through these is too much.
And if they can focus on kids who really want to go and are a good fit academically they will be able to be more selective rd. With yield being much more predictable.
Here’s part of the note.
“In moving to Early Decision, Boston College joins a growing number of peer institutions, including Wake Forest, Tufts, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Emory universities, and the University of Pennsylvania, among others. Overall, 21 of the top 40-ranked national universities in U.S. News have Early Decision I and II programs.”
I see the same thing as others have reported. My evidence is anecdotal. Both of my Ds have almost literally the same stats so this could apply to either. D was a very high stat kid (but not val or sal), unhooked, large public hs, no stellar ECs, and was admitted to 5 of the 7 T50 schools she applied to. Two of those were T20.
Please see my post above #69 regarding the deans actual reasons in the email sent yesterday.
As to the ongoing discussion around likelihood around multiple top schools.
Every kid is different. And top 50 unis?Top 50 lacs? Or top 50 Forbes? Or Money? Or Poets and Quants?Or the many others?
Sure some kids have a great package and it opens many doors.
But on the whole it’s a grind.
I know if one girl last year, 4.0 uw, val with 1520 sat and 35 act (ss) 34 composite, 13 aps and at least a 4 on all , two year sports captain and lots of other ecs. Beautiful lor’s. And nice kid.
Applied to 6 top schools. Into 2, no at 2 and wl at 2. Didn’t accept wl. So not sure how that would have worked out.
Young lady was my d.
Depends on major. Region, gender and hooks.
There is no tried or true method for estimating these things. Especially today.
And remember some high schools are a hook at BC. Either a catholic school or a ne school known for sending great kids over the years. So that can skew your perception
“So if he did so well without ED why are you so opposed to it ?”
Because not all kids have those results, ED heavily favors wealthy kids who don’t have to worry about FA, and ED reduces the number of seats available to the masses who want to apply to multiple schools. Its a win win win for the school though - improve admit rate, reduce the number of apps all while improving yield AND pulling in lots of full pay kids who are dying to attend. ED2 is for all the (mostly) ivy rejects who have resigned themselves to lesser schools, and the schools will favor them over RD apps because of the aforementioned benefits (especially$ and yield protection).
I wish all schools had single choice early action so you can show commitment to the school, while still having the ability to see merit and FA being offered and having the ability to go elsewhere if those don’t work out. This would reduce the number of apps app around, which is a good thing. Of course only favors the students, so would never happen.
@suzyQ7
Most of the schools we are discussing are need blind. They have no idea who they are admitting. If you don’t agree on the finances and have need you are able to withdraw your admission. That’s not an advantage the full pay have. Your original position was you and many other parents on this thread did not ED to secure multiple admittances to top 50 schools.
I would doubt only wealthy parents with high achieving students want to use ED2 to help their admission chances. Again most of these schools have federal guidelines regulating their need blind admission policies. If I know and am comfortable with my estimated EFC why would I not apply ED 2 ?
You can’t compare offers if you ED. Outside the tippity top, most need blind schools do not meet full need and even the ones who claim to, base it on their determination of need (case in point, BC, please read last year’s acceptance/FA threads for the disappointment on that.) If you click the box that says “not applying for FA” they know. They also can see trends year over year of how many ED kids click the box so they know their full pay rate even without looking at specific apps.
It is well known that ED favors wealthy students for the reasons already mentioned. ED also favors recruited athletes who are required to show their commitment to the school be applying ED.
Most people don’t ED to pursue multiple admissions to top 50 colleges, but to get multiple admissions and FA and merit offers to several schools in order to have options and choices.
For applicants certain where they want to attend, and can afford it with or without financial aid, successful ED mainly means a more relaxed senior year, no more applications to worry about.
It doesn’t matter if a school is need-aware or need-blind. If you like a school, it’s a good match, and the NPC suggests it’s affordable, apply!
“Most of the schools we are discussing are need blind. They have no idea who they are admitting.”
For sure, they are admitting the students they want the most!
I feel like BC is directly targeting applicants like my family - merit hunters not eligible for FA. For DD18, BC was a great EARLY acceptance to assure her she was going to college. Then we waited for the best merit offers to roll in from Tulane, Northeastern, GW, etc…Unfortunately D20 won’t have that option. I hate to admit it - but BC is correct in our scenario. There is absolutely no benefit to EA for BC, and without merit (Gabelli aside) BC can’t show the love to prospective admits.
This change may push down the number of applicants and the stats as well.
The net effect is hard to predict, It will definitely boost the yield.
Purse spin (and I always believed that BC was better than that). Specifically, Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt and Penn are “peer” schools only in the Adcom Dean’s dreams. So while it is true that those schools have ED, it’s as meaningless as saying Harvard has REA.
Nope. “Need-blind” is however a college wants to define it. For example, Williams College is officially need blind, but they track "low-ec"applicants throughout the admission process. Williams does not track them to discriminate against them; rather, just the opposite, to ensure that they receive enough low-ec students in each class (with ‘enough’ being their target).
The only regs for admissions are for non-discrimination in race, sex, age, gender, religion, and other federally-protected classes. There is no restriction for discriminating by income, which ED does very well as many studies have shown. (And so does giving credit certain EC’s for that matter.)