Thanks @PengsPhils this site seemed to be immune to this but you would think infiltration by the Emory police might be enough to deter this. Ironically, it seemed to perpetuate it.
My initial post only had to do with seemingly preferential treatment given to students applying from expensive/competitive private schools due to AO assumption they would be more willing to pay for a quality education.
How it devolved into a UVa vs BC argument I have no idea…
@socaldad2002 Not sure about other schools but our HS has GPA through the end of junior year in Naviance.
Also, living in MA, I don’t know anyone who thinks UVA is an easier admit from here than BC
And living in va there’s no one who thinks bc is an easier admit than uva.
UVA OOS had 24 K applicants for 1200 spots.
BC had 31 K applicants for 2350 spots
Yeild at UVA OOS is 22 percent
Yield at BC was 28 percent
Verifiable data for class of 2022.
Do you not think many of these were cross applicants ? BC had less applicants per available seat and still had a higher yield.
Logically many would be cross applicants.
However your agenda on this thread has been to promote misinformation regarding BC with now resorting to Parchment.
Very little posts on this thread promoting BC, but so many unsubstantiated bashing’s by bringing up other schools.
@privatebanker Yes, of course, you’re in state so UVA would be easier. I’m addressing the comments that UVA is easier to get in out of state than BC.
I think they are both incredibly difficult for the average really good student. I think some off the charts kids would take UVA over Georgetown and ND as well. All depends on the student.
Never heard of Naviance before reading this thread. How do you get access to it?
Maybe a ghost writer on post 102 hacked your account. Just joking.
You first sentence infers BC does not have a good yield.
You then bring up how within academic profile of BC you didn’t want to apply and how a child with lower 25 percent stats for BC was admitted. You then end by saying how you are forgoing significant financial savings to attend UVA over UNC which many would also consider all three as peer schools.
“My initial post only had to do with seemingly preferential treatment given to students applying from expensive/competitive private schools due to AO assumption they would be more willing to pay for a quality education.”
This was never supported by any data other than one student from your high school. Easily inferred as entering arena to just bash BC
That’s a fascinating spin on what I posted. I have nothing but respect for BC (you’ve done nothing to diminish that despite your efforts) and felt strongly that my daughter would attend CSOM if not accepted to UVa.
I assumed it was a forum for open and level headed discussion you’ve proved me wrong. Best of luck battling all your perceived naysayers it’s a fruitless and exhausting venture.
Again, there is a fundamental flaw in the way you are using the statistics. Individual school yield and cross-admit rates do not inherently correlate in any way and are affected by complex factors such as regionality, fit, cost constraints, and much more. The number of cross-applicants again does not say anything about these selection rates.
Considering that I have made four posts on this thread, none mentioning BC by name and only one linking to Parchment with an explicit warning about the quality of its data, I don’t see how I am promoting any misinformation and this seems to again be just a product of “I will defend my school to the death”. So far the only points I have made on this thread are:
- Getting into more than a few T50's as an unhooked applicant is not extremely rare for high stat applicants, particularly in the 30-50 range.
- Individual school yields do not imply any statistics on cross admit choices.
- Parchment is a **more** reliable source for cross admit data than comparing the yield of two schools on their own. Neither are great sources for it though and cross admits choice data is not readily available generally.
I have literally said nothing negative about BC (or any school) through this entire thread.
Edit: I missed one post on this, which does mention BC only to link to it’s most common cross applications according to BC’s own data.
@collegemom9 Example, last year twin OOS applicants to UVA, 33 ACTs and they were denied, not waitlisted. I believe only applicants from their high school. Accepted EA at BC. UVA and BC both in their top 5 schools.
As many of us on this thread appear to be parents, the thread is clearly bringing into focus that many parents still seem to have preconceptions about BC that are at least 25 years outdated. BC is no longer an easy admit. It’s a very selective school with applicants and admits that are in the top 2 percent.
Clearly changing perceptions is not easy. Emotion overrides factual data. Change is clearly uphill and difficult.
If we really think that BC and OOS UVA admits with similar stats are not likely cross applicants we are kidding ourselves.
@Cavitee was not even going to apply to BC and did not visit. But was backup for UVA.
@PengsPhils when your mention Parchment credibility has sheen lost.
I’m trying to figure out where anyone here said that BC is an easy admit. @lgs03 I think you’re misinterpreting what others have said. Saying that one school is harder to get into doesn’t make the other school easy to get into.
@T20hopeful2023 Naviance is a web service tool that is used by high schools to help with the admissions process of their students. If you are high school student and haven’t heard of it, it probably means your high school doesn’t use it. Does your high school use any web servie to help you keep track of applications and help your counselor keep track of your progress?
LGS, the way to change perceptions about your college is not to claw at other posters or to single out specific colleges that you think BC should be perceived as better than or a peer to and tear them down. Be proud of BC and talk about the great things going on. You do a disservice otherwise. Colleges have different strengths and weaknesses. State schools have a different mission than private catholic schools which have a different mission than non-secular research universities. Public schools and catholic schools’ applicant pools are both self-selecting and so yield comparisons wont really get you that far and they tell you nothing about cross-admits (which again for BC aren’t Ivies or Emory or Duke or Northwestern and I am posting them again at the bottom of this thread).
Cross-Admit from BC’s Fact Book:
- Villanova
- Northeastern
- Boston University
- Fordham
- Notre Dame
- UVA
- NYU
- Georgetown
- UMass
- George Washington
- USC
- William and Mary
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PP, Respectively, please define your term “high Stat applicants.” ? As a current BC student, who went through the admission process within the last few years, I can tell you that lots of friends with solid stats (1400, 3.85+), tons of ec’s and sports did not get into a single top 40 school- not a one. Many took what they got (40-50) and transferred out after 1-2 years. A family friend son, who is now in med school, did not get into a single top 40 school. He got accepted to GW in DC, BU and NE. He attended NE and hit the cover off the ball, graduated with honors and is now attending a 2nd tier med school studying neuroscience but has a 4.00. He will be practicing neuroscience medicine soon without the benefit of attending a top 40 school. To me, that’s pretty amazing and speaks to how competitive it is in colleges for a single spot in any top 40 school.
Time was a 4.00 was a golden ticket- no more.
Sure, but to me peer also means that sometimes one school will win (a student matriculates) and the other will win. Sure, Brady may win 7 of the 10 battles, but Goff is likely to win 2-3 if they played 10 times. Bcos, yes they are in the same peer league.
To put into college peer lingo, i believe that BC might win <5 out of a 100 cross admits with Penn (absent Gabelli). Thus, not really academic or ‘league’ peers.
BC’s real peers for admissions (which ED can impact) are in the table that Chris posted earlier (post #135).
I defined that in post #44. Indeed, it is over 1400, and it does not mean that they are expected admits or safeties, only that the chances are high. You can also see my experience there as well, which is relatively recent. I have also been closely paying attention to admissions for the past 5 years generally across most schools, particularly those from 25-75 of US News and specialized tech schools, a field I know relatively well. 2018 admissions saw some dramatic drops in acceptance rates across the board that made this a bit harder, but it still holds that students that are competitive for ivies will get into a good deal of 30-50 range schools if they apply to a good number, with my estimate at 50% for that class of students. That is more speculation.
This trend also tends to be more true for competitive/private high schools, as high school difficulty is considered by private schools that have the resources, as well as public schools to an extent. These schools don’t view all 4.0’s equally.
This is still absolutely true as we are talking about a very small subset of applicants. That applicant set is very represented on CC though due to selection bias though.
@swimchris the only odd cross admit is USC. All of the others make since.