@SatchelSF
Your Naviance school data is not consistent with the admitted student profile of the class of 2022 or the EA class of 2023 at BC. The average SAT and ACT scores were significantly higher in published data we can all review for a combined 13,000 admits over this period.
The published statistics are significantly higher than your suggested schools results.
Our eyes and minds with verifiable data suggest Fake News from your reported Naviance report.
@lgs03 - I was just talking about the success rates of kids at our school who applied early with SAT >1300 and WGPA > 3.5 (out of 5 max, although in practice 4.7 is about as high as one can get due to some required non-weighted courses). That group was 100% acceptance - 17 students over 3 years. Doesn’t include (yet) the class of 2023, although the school has announced that there are “multiple” acceptances again this year.
The average of the EA admits was ~4.1W and 1400 SAT, so maybe that is not too far off from the published? The high admit was 4.4WGPA and 1590 SAT, and the low was 1190 SAT and 3.95WGPA. The low WGPA without regard to SAT was 3.48 and the high WGPA was 4.63. The very highest stat kids generally don’t apply from our school (easily seen by looking at the applicants to Rice, Vandy, HYPMS, Columbia, etc.)
Maybe satchels school is Harker prep in San Fran or college prep in Oakland. Big state and top private schools with 8 to 1 student ratios and children of Uber elite. So if it’s a school in a desired geography. Students with academic achievement and school known for super tough rigor and rich parents. Maybe the 3.5 uw and 1370 students get in. Maybe as development cases. Maybe super great at something else. Whatever.
If true it’s not the normal situation and why would we want to make it the standard observation when clearly it’s a unique case.
Once again. Top kid at normal public schools with good boards and ecs. It’s a reach like every other really good school. BC avg accepted gpa is over 3.8 UW and top 10 percent of class and higher. And we know the board score averages. It is, what it is.
Sorry to get us all off on a tangent. I was just responding to the idea that the “peer” institutions of BC are Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Penn (I think). I am not seeing that at all in the acceptances I can see. All those other schools are crapshoots on Naviance, even for the NMSF and early cum laude/NHS kids, while BC looks like a safety. Wake Forest was also mentioned, and the profile of admissions I am seeing for WFU is very similar to that of BC.
I already said that the kids were overwhelmingly full pay, and that was challenged too. I am just guessing that BC has a type of student that it likes in its EA round, and wealthy plus decent stats probably hits the right buttons.
@SatchelSF
So your school will have no problem with BC going ED route as they will be assured RD admittance.
For many top students the acceptance rate is a factor in deciding where to apply and attend. It’s seems as your top students have easy acceptances to many elite schools. So BC old EA policy may have not swayed your best students to apply to BC. Clearly BC thinks they have more than enough top students based on 2 years admitted statistics to attract some of the countries brightest students.
As for this not being in the Jesuit spirit how about the students that want to go and don’t get in because they have no way of aknowledging they are commited to attending if selected. With so many competiive applicants how can you objectively select. You cannot. It’s an arbitrary process with too many students for all the top schools
@lgs03 - Now that I agree with - moving to ED is not in keeping with the Ignatian tradition. I am very close to a very well known Jesuit high school that has sent many, many kids to BC, Georgetown, ND, Fordham and Villanova, and a few to SCU and SJU, so I understand the Catholic college market and what appeals to which kids.
My guess is that BC will see a huge dropoff in early applications from top students. Both because of financial considerations for students at many Catholic high schools, and because many of the top kids are going to prefer to use their “ED card” for a more reachy school, if that makes sense.
Personally, I hate the whole ED/SCEA/REA/EA nonsense (did I miss any early options?). It has zero benefits for students, but they are forced to play the rigged game just the same.
I would also just like to suggest that peer doesn’t mean 100 percent equal. It means same general league in a directional manner. Tom Brady and Jared Goff are in fact peers. Same as their back ups. All play in the same league. Equal. No.
@SatchelSF
Your numbers are all over the place. You stated your schools top student don’t even apply to BC. Then you say it’s their safety.
On anther post you say students with ACT of 30 were being admitted. Maybe Harvard and Yale are the safeties for those that want to attend Duke , Vandy , Northwestwen and Rice.
Whatever the data may be you are sharing,it’s not consistent with the published data for BC.
I have seen similar stats to what @SatchelSF is referencing on Naviance. My child similarly attends a small, expensive private school. I don’t think that diminishes the quality of student BC accepts but it does speak to the importance of yield.
My assumption is when AO look at a child whose parents have paid $25,000+ per year for at least 4 years (or more) vs one whose parents have never paid anything for their child’s education, they feel the likelihood the paying parent will value the quality of education and not scoff at the tuition is greater.
Colleges are a business and filling their spots with quality, paying students is what matters especially at a school like BC that offers almost no merit money. They know the cost of the high schools and the % receiving scholarships so they can make an educated guess.
This year my daughter was accepted to CSOM (which her GPA and SAT make her a viable candidate) but a classmate of hers was accepted as well. The other student was on the fence to get into UNC in state (so in the 1350 SAT and 3.6UW) but got into CSOM (non legacy, non athlete, non URM).
Both of these spots will open up as neither will be attending but ironically she applied to BC at her GC behest and we never visited. But had she not gotten into her first choice, BC would had become her #1. This is over UNC in-state where tuition is $9,000/year.
And many would think we are crazy because ours is attending UVa OOS vs UNC IS so that’s a whole separate discussion…
We have found Naviance to be a tool not the end word. It really depends on how each district handles the information put into it. We have heard some schools will only allow the counselors updating the students results while others allow the students. In the later, we have actually heard of the students either not updating OR putting in false information. Can’t wait until this process is over and my child finds their “home away from home”. Best to all!!
Satchel, the close proximity catholic high school you are referring to- would that be Don Bosco ? My older brother attended and graudated DB 6 years ago. He applied and got accepted to every college except 1. Accepted to Nova, Lehigh, BU, Northeastern, Syracuse, GW, Bucknell, Lafayette. The one school that rejected him outright- BC. Go figure? Happily, I have reclaimed the family honor.
http://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=234076
@Cavitee
Take a look at UVA published stats, they struggle mightily with yield on out of state. Average out of State SAT is 1381 and 1364 for instate at UVA. Those are a tad lower than BC published admitted students. We are from the northeast and much easier to get into UVA and UNC than BC. Its just a demographic thing. Again what each schools individual admit rate is certainly seems to be influence many peoples perception of prestige. For many the Naviance seems to be more important than National statistics.
Lets try and maintain a macro focus rather than a limited data set.
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That student you are referring to above- should also have purchased a lottery ticket on the day she submitted her CSOM app. I am pursuing a minor @ CSOM and have many friends who are @ CSOM major’d. I can state categorically, that CSOM is extremely difficult to get into even for top HS 1%ers. Accepted students transferring into CSOM is almost impossible. So much so, that the school holds a lottery to dispense the handful of spots that open up. CSOM presents a very challenging course-load- heavy on math. All friends and acquaintances I know are having a very difficult time and are stressed out. These are very smart students. I’m talking 1500+/34+ 4.50+ stats (Top 5 students). Most barely have a 3.00- 3.25 in CSOM. And to go further, I don’t know anyone with a collective GPA from any BC school, over 3.55. Nobody gets a 4.00 @ BC. If they say they do, its as rare as seeing a Bigfoot. Further to my point, I don’t know how the athletes do it? Seriously-this is a topic among the student population; says a lot about the BC student athletes.
Off topic. My 1st cousin got into MSB @ GT., largely as a result of his dad (my uncle) pulling a favor for a board member. My cousin was a solid student but not MSB material. (similar stats to your D’s friend) Long story short, he graduated but under-performed academically. like a 2.5 in core courses and that was with tons of paid private tutors to help. He had a very hard time getting a job as a new grad, top financial employers wanted transcripts. Eventually he found a job but it was with a boutique hedge fund ($200-$300M under management) who didn’t request transcripts. All the big shops wanted transcripts. So, sub par students who are getting into elite schools need to also perform by handling the material. I guess eventually education pedigree sunsets, but doing well and not just “getting in” matters for many post graduation.
Anyway, I wonder how your D’s friend will fare in CSOM with a 1350?- We have a saying on campus- “C’s get Degree’s!- but it doesn’t get a job” and I say that with peace and love.
I didn’t bring UVa in for comparative purposes but I can’t imagine OOS anywhere for UVa is easier to get into than BC. The stat you reference only accounts for around 2,400 students in a class of around 4,500.
This year’s stats without RD are posted here http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2019/01/unofficial-uva23-early-action-statistics.html.
This is from the link you provided
"The Office of Institutional Assessment is the source of all official statistics about UVA. They take a census to determine the final statistics for the class. You can see official admission data in the data digest part of their website. Obviously, what happened in past years isn’t going to predict the future, but some people have fun playing around with the Tableau on their site.
Here are some unofficial numbers about the early action process. These numbers were up to date on Friday. If you are a reporter, please contact the Media Relations team in the Office of University Communications for current, official information and all of your reporterly needs. "
Those are unofficial numbers.The link I provided you are the official numbers
http://research.schev.edu/iprofile.asp?UID=234076
Again you are taking a micro focus. Breaking out data sets. Yes UVA OOS is 5 percent more difficult than getting into BC based on published acceptance rates… However of these accepted students with similar stats at BC have 5 percent better published yield rate. So if many are cross applicants they seem to prefer BC over UVA. Also UVA has many less spots being offered to OOS students which to me makes the BC stats even more impressive.
Not the focus of the thread but curiosity got the better of me.
Your cross-application assumptions really are stretches to say the least though. While not an ideal data set, parchment suggests quite the opposite when it comes to what cross applicants choose, with 80% choosing UVA.
Really this thread is going in the predictable direction of most CC threads: posters from the school finding ways to argue its as prestigious as possible. I think it’s probably time to move on.
Parchment is a 3rd party source not based on anything verifiable. Yield rate is better for BC than OOS UVA based on each schools verifiable published data.
I have made no assumptions just reporting published data.
When you are quoting Parchment its definitely time to move on.
You reported published data and then made inferences off of it that do not work logically or mathematically. The yield of two schools does not say anything about cross-admits between the two schools. Many local schools have incredibly high yield but would not have better cross-admits rates with top schools with a lower yield.
I fully agree that parchment is not a great source, but it is way more accurate than your assumptions.
Keep in mind Naviance does not superscore so a 30 ACT in Naviance could mean a superscore 32 ACT recorded by BC and other colleges. Also I believe the historical GPAs listed in Naviance is through senior year not junior year which for most colleges will make decisions from Sophomore/Junior year grades which could explain some of the differences in published college stats from individual high school Naviance data?
In summary, use Naviance as a general guide or trend but don’t rely on it to be the end all, be all.
Excellent point about superscoring and Naviance, @socaldad2002. Superscoring massively inflates the reported numbers at colleges.